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Part 10 - Digest 3rd September 2007 - 2nd December 2008

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 3rd September 2007 From Heiko Wingender.

Subject: Re: Cream Electret

Hi Richard,

"And will this end? Richard."

This is what I have also been wondering.

In my nightmares I am desperate to foiling, creaming and clipping everything in our home like a lunatic.

And furthermore I am also lost in building and tweaking turntables, tube amps and loudspeakers.

The asylum is near... ;-)

Heiko.


4th September 2007 From Richard Graham

Subject: Re: Cream Electret.

I must confess to waves of this activity. I keep in mind a systematic plan of how to proceed, and then take time, though this recent Superwipe tip kind of pushed that.

Saying that, I hope to set up a Stress Clinic, employing Barry Fox as chief therapist. Barry is such a positive and uplifting person that after his input, you'll never touch the hi-fi, or listen to music, again! For those of a nervous disposition, the Kessler unit is less challenging, as long as you like 40 year old vinyl, amplified by valves, coming through big American speakers, and have little desire to be in contact with contemporary culture....

Richard.


4th September 2007 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Am I too sensitive?

A recent trip to Ikea, led to a new kitchen table, which though desirable, had to be put together. Mindful of the opportunities that would be lost once the table was constructed, I had creams and Sol-Electret to the ready. Keen to minimise a stream of colourful words, the radio was on in the background.

Like my recent experience with the Chunky pens, each time I applied Sol-Electret to a screw thread, the sound really improved. There were many screws, and so it proved to be quite a lift.

I have never experienced this oil quite like this, but like Kevin recently asked, are these products just getting very much better, or am I so sensitised to them, that a small amount really makes a difference?

Whatever the answer, Sol-Electret now just seems like an amazing bargain, and I am really thinking about screws that have never had the application of it.

Richard.


5th September 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Am I too sensitive

What a coincidence Richard that you have just 'posted' a reference to treating the threads of screws with Sol-Electret.

I have just been asked by one of our customers for suggestions on how to 'P.W.B. treat' a new house they will shortly be moving into.

I have copied below my quick reply to our customer listing a few things to do. However, as I have only lived in quite a cluttered house for the past 50 years, I can only visualise what an empty, new house would look like and I can only envy someone having the luxury of a 'clean slate' to work with !!

Perhaps if others have more suggestions from their own experiences it would be nice if you can 'post' them.

Kind Regards, May.

Quick suggestions for some P.W.B. Treatments for a new house !!

One of the simplest and quickest of our devices you can use to do quite a few things in a new house (presumably empty of furniture etc. before you move in) is to use the 12 mm diameter Spiratube and the 6 mm diameter Spiratube.

A metre of 12 mm diameter Spiratube will be sufficient to 'treat' about 10 or so pipes such as water, gas, central heating pipes and also thick cables.

Similarly a metre of 6 mm diameter Spiratube will 'treat' the same amount of cables etc. - before they become hidden behind appliances and furniture etc.. Quite often these pipes and thick cables become hidden and forgotten about after appliances and furniture are installed.

If the main floors are to be plain wood, then apply a small amount of such as Cream-Electret to the edge of the wood strips before furniture is positioned. If the floors are to be covered in carpet, then attach a CCU (treated safety pin) to the edge of the carpets before furniture is positioned.

If you are going to be fitting or building or altering anything yourself - such as shelves, remember to apply Sol-Electret to the threads of the screws.

When appliances are disconnected and before being re-connected, write your initials or sign your name on the back of the appliances with the Red 'x' Pen. Or, make yourself a label with the special Gold Foil and write the Brand name of the appliance, followed by OK with the Red 'x' Pen and attach the label to the rear of the appliance.

May


5th September 2007 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Am I too sensitive?

Although a useful response May, I just keep thinking that since it's introduction in (?)1988, I have never before been so surprised by the impact of Sol-Electret. I remain amazed.

Actually, this report is not entirely true, as I was once before bowled over by it's impact on a digital connection at the late Peter Turner's home. (See early Newsletter's - Peter and I were obsessed with hierarchy, but eventually came to the conclusion that budget and high-end products could both be improved, maintaining some order.)

My reasoning is this: if new techniques have enhanced the efficacy of certain products, it really is worth our 'refreshing' our stocks. Although now without a turntable, I can only guess at how good the Sol-Electret might be in the bearing. Perhaps there might be another way of finding out if it's me rather than the product.

If I can, later today, or tomorrow, add a drop to my car's engine oil, any improvement might be due to Sol-Electret's enhanced capabilities.

I have been puzzling over another unrelated matter, though not unconnected though with the experience at Peter Turner's home. It relates to digital music, and the transfer of this. I guess some of us may now have servers piping music around the home via Cat5 cables. But more simply, would a treated Apple cable between PC and iPod lead to a 'better' storage process, and enhanced playback on the iPod as a result. I only have the fine-bore Spiratube and creams on my cable, though with a Superwipe I could improve it further.

However, this mind boggling question may be superfluous, when Apple announce what they will today. We may need to start asking about how to enhance a wireless connection. Ahhh!

Richard


6th September 2007 From cico buff.

Subject: Re: Am I too sensitive ?

To answer your question Richard, yes. Treating the USB cable connecting the mp4 player to your computer will result in improvements on the files transferred, according to the relatively numerous tests I've done on mp4 players. In fact, transferring the files back to the computer and then the player, repeatedly, can result in somewhat further improvements. The more you treat (cable, computer, hard drive, mp4 player + headphones, etc.), the better it gets. I don't think the products can distinguish between Apple or PC gear, so it's all good. BTW, the Spiratube is polarity sensitive.

Cico buff.


11th September 2007 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Cream Electret.

A further update that has astonished me.

I haven't progressed my superwipe beyond the strip of Rainbow Foil in the corner, with Green Cream applied. As you know, I have found this so effective I have proceeded slowly, given the blasts of increased volume that invariably follows. But at the weekend, I did something additional that is so obvious, yet quite extraordinary.

Put simply, re-Clipping an item post-superwipe is having an even more extraordinary impact. The increase in smoothness of tone, with no concession to detail, or high frequency sparkle, has been quite breath-taking. I'm sure everyone would know the likelihood of this, but again I have been surprised.

We may be in a golden age, or phase.

Richard


13th September 2007 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Cream Electret.

I have now put some wipes through the freeze cycle a couple of times and I am not sure if there is much improvement – certainly it is not of the magnitude of recent sound lifts with the added foil, and Green Cream treatment. As a further test, I have put a few plain white paper wipes back through the freeze process only this time I have not put any P.W.B treatments on them. When they are done, I will then add the Chunky Black Pen dot, Foil and a dab of Green Cream. I will report any result.

Up to now by the way, I have not found any instance of using the wipe causing a deterioration of the sound.

In the mean time, I have got further sound improvement by applying the Super Wipe to the Gold Square Foils that compliment the Morphic Green Cream and the same for the Silver Mirror Foils that compliment the Special Black Cream.

Its just as you said Richard, I am currently going through a golden phase and its every bit as good as any previous Belt revelation

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.


14th September 2007 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Cream Electret

Thanks Kevin,

Part of my hesitation about freezing was related to a conviction that it would be hard to imagine the wipe working any better. Just a few wipes last night, were just as amazing.

This wipe and a Clip just leads to contentment.

I think we should call it the Heineken Wipe....

Richard


16th September 2007 From Graham Mountford.

Subject: Superwipe

I decided to the whole hog with the superwipe namely

Large black spot

Green Cream

Electret Cream

Every foil I possess

Clipped

Frozen

Started by treating the windows with the creams and Morphic Liquid (although they had been treated before), then equipment casing, speaker cabinet, CH boiler, various picture frame glass, light bulbs. Still a lot to do.

I then listened to Mahler 5th Symphony recorded on my HD Sky box from the Proms. The result was staggering, definitely the biggest single improvement I have experienced. The Kate Bush album Hounds of Love confirmed the changes, and the last track which without any instrumental backing had to be heard to be believed. I now need a wipe to remove the smile on my face.

I have been wondering since what the effect of cleaning windows will have. Will it all have to be done again?

Best Wishes to everyone. Graham Mountford.


7th October 2007 From Wellfed.

Subject: Red Magnadisc

What is the best 'bang for buck' location for a single red magnadisc?

Wellfed.


9th October 2007 From Chris Porada.

Subject: RE: cool website

Hi everyone

I stumbled across an interesting website yesterday and am wondering if anyone out there has tried these products out and if May and Peter think these may be operating in a similar "realm" to some of the Belt treatments, or at least going after the same problems but from a different angle. It seems they also work by balancing energy fields surrounding objects, electronics, etc.. The website is: http://www.lightlifetools.co.uk/Applications.htm The bit that intrigued me was a description of the applications of their "light-life rings":

Voice quality and information transfer to an audience is significantly improved speaking through a ring. May look funny, but it works! Musical instruments achieve a fuller expression of their resonant frequencies, which has an appreciable effect on the audience and performer alike. Rings placed in front of stereo speakers give a better than live performance quality to the sound.

Anyone heard of this or tried it?

Chris Porada.


9th October 2007 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Red Magnadisc

Wellfed. Of the different coloured Magnadiscs available, I have used more of the red than any of the others. It has been years since I last purchased any so it is difficult to recall where the best result came from although, for best immediate effect, the outer case of the CD player or it's hand control would be a good bet. I now have them attached to power plugs, remote controls, room security detectors and the like. By coincidence, I have just recently purchased some Blue Magnadiscs. I think I only ever had one of those (that I can now find anyway) which I attached to the amplifier printed circuit board years ago and never got round to purchasing more - until last month that is, when I read May Belt's reference to them in a recent posting. I attached one to the underside of the steel base plate of the amplifier and one to the CD player base plate. The result had me writing one of those occasional e-mails to May Belt which invariably turn out to gush profusely in a tedious manner and, minutes after pressing the send key, wish I had hit delete instead - after 20 years I still get animated and wonder struck at P.W.B induced sound lifts! I have since attached one to the steel frame of the hi fi stand, central heating radiators, and to the printed circuit board of the CD player – all to good effect.

Regards, Kevin Kehoe.


9th October 2007 From: Brian Hannen

Subject: Re: Red Magnadisc

Hi Wellfed,

I haven't tried the Red Magnadisc (yet) but got really good results from attaching small magnets that I had Smart Metalled to radiators, fridges, garage doors and Dexion storage racks. Anything that a magnet would stick to, really.

I used Abel Magnets, here in the UK. You may find a supplier nearer to you.

Good luck, Brian Hannen.


10th October 2007 From Wellfed.

Subject: Re: Red Magnadisc

Thanks Kevin and Brian,

I have a two piece digital player. My guess would be to apply the Magnadisc to the transport as that component contains the oscillating clock mechanism. Instructions point to pulsing devices as a good candidate.

Wellfed.


9th October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Hello,

I chanced upon this website a few days ago and I am hoping that it might give me some answers to some longstanding audio problems.

I first got into listening to music as a teenager in about 1984. My friend gave me a compilation tape he'd made of some pop music album tracks. I enjoyed listening to the tape and eventually bought myself the albums on vinyl (just as he had) a few years later. I saved up and bought a Linn Axis record deck and a good make cassette deck and integrated amp. I wanted to make my own compilation tapes of my favourite L.P. tracks. The Linn sounded great and I happily hit the record button. However, when I played back the tape although the sound was detailed and (so I thought) a fairly accurate recording of the original, something strange occurred. When I listened to the tape recording I had made my right ear became irritated. It became sore and tender. It felt like a build up of pressure too (like being in a descending aircraft.) This really surprised me because I didn't expect this result.

Over the next few years I wasted more money on different cassette decks, spending eventually £600 on a cassette deck as I thought that having the best models would eradicate the problem. The more money I paid the more 'realistic' the sound became. A NAD cassette recorder sounded the most natural but the right ear problems persisted and there was no change to the pain I was getting from listening to a home recording.

There was still a build up of pressure when listening, the ear feeling harder and more tender. I would be able to stand listening to a recording for about 1/2 an hour. The pain would grow worse and I would have to stop listening. Two hours later my ear would still be throbbing and tender.

Whenever I could, before I bought a tape deck I got the shop owner to tape a few tracks from an LP I supplied. The tape made in the shop sounded fine (no ear pain.) However, when I purchased the same deck and recorded at home suddenly ear pain again. I admit to being quite an obsessive person but the baffling nature of what was happening had got me hooked and I was determined to find out the answer. Virtually any compilation tape recorded by someone else sounded fine to me when I listened to it on my system. I loved listening to music and I don't wish for wealth (just to be comfortable, go on one holiday a year and to be able to make compilation recordings of my favourite tracks.) I didn't think I was aiming for the impossible.

My degree studies suffered. I was more and more distracted by this problem and all my hard-earned cash was spent on either new equipment or hi-fi accessories. All the products I bought did improve the sound (e.g. detail, scale, depth) but the right ear throbbing and hardness still remained. I knew nothing of EMI/RFI at this time but had concluded it was something to do with where I lived and perhaps interfering radio signals somehow hardening the sound and the recording process somehow doubling the effect of the hardness.

When I got married and moved into our new house it was fingers-crossed that I could put this problem to rest. But I'm afraid it was ear pain yet again. I moved across to digital recording. Bought three different cd recorders one after the other. More realistic sound but yet even greater ear pain. Must be the mains I concluded. Purchased a PS Audio power regenerator. More detailed sound, larger scale, better depth - but ear pain remained. I began to notice that as well as the recording problem my hi-fi did sound better at some times rather than others. I got an electrician to fit a separate mains spur and an external earth spike. When it was sounding at its best my hi-fi sounded even better but forget recording to cd-r, cd/rw - ear pain/fatigue/tenderness still there. I explained my problems to various hi-fi shops, various hi-fi accessories firms. All were quite patient but I got the feeling they thought I was a nutcase.

I am hoping that one of Peter's products might hold the answer to my recording problem. It is sadly one of my most important life goals to solve this problem. My obsessiveness with this is basically ruining my life. My brain just can't leave the problem alone.

Some other things I have discovered:

1. Ripping to the hard-drive on my PC, playing back the ripped music does not hurt my ears (but is easiest to listen to as Mp3)

2. Ripping to the hard-drive of my Yamaha cd/hard-drive recorder sometimes can cause slight right ear irritation but for real pain I can't beat recording to a cd/r or cd/rw.

3. Recording compilation tracks to my portable battery powered Hi MD player via optical interconnect to cd player is sometimes (but due to the lack of hi-md decks I can't play the discs on Anything other than my Hi MD personal walkman.

4. Burning a Cd-r on PC whilst keeping hold of the mouse (I know it sounds idiotic) produces a cd-r with greatly reduced ear pain on listening (but not perfect.)

5. Oh I tried using wi-fi and the Squeezebox to send my computer ripped music directly to my hi-fi. Thwarted again. Not only did I not find the sound quality very good, whenever I switched on my wi-fi wireless router and listened to any music anywhere in the house I suffered another type of ear hardening pain. An all new different type of pain.

I take it I'm the only one in the world to have this problem making compilation recordings? Can Peter and May help me with this?

Thanks for any advice.

Gerry.


16th October 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Welcome.

Gerry,

Welcome to the P.W.B. Chat forum.

Your question is a specific one and I can only give a general reply.

I have no specific recommendation for you to try to resolve your specific problem - I can only recommend that you initially try as many of the different free techniques as possible.

Try putting the 'worst effect' recording through the freezing/slow defrost procedure using your domestic deep freezer and then listen to it to see if you detect any improvement.

Try putting a blank tape or disc through the freezing/slow defrost procedure before actually doing a recording and see it you detect any improvement by doing so.

Try tying one Reef knot in as many cables (including AC power cables) as you can in your listening room.

A sample of Rainbow Foil is already winging it's way to you. Try placing two strips on the 'worst effect' recording or disc and then listen to see if there is any improvement.

Kind Regards, May.


16th October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Welcome.

May,

Thanks for your help and advice, which is greatly appreciated. Co-incidentally, yesterday I tried freezing a cd-r I had previously recorded on. Originally I couldn't listen to the cdr for more than two minutes without a twisting, painful pressure sensation in my right ear. On listening again the irritation was greatly reduced. I could listen to the recording for an hour. My right ear slowly became 'warm' and irritated but there was about a 75% reduction in ear pain.

I'd be grateful if you would answer another couple of hi-fi queries. I too have noticed that the sound of my hi-fi and pc varies greatly. Sometimes the sound will improve dramatically during listening and then just as suddenly deteriorate (sometimes within the space of 1/2 an hour). The best sound quality is detailed, airy, with superb depth and life. Sometimes if my wife has a shower, the sound in the listening room improves (I always thought this was due to earth bonding of the water pipe and the water running through the pipe making the pipe a more effective earth drain for rfi in the mains.)

But if nothing has changed in the listening room whilst I have been listening to the music and nothing has been added or taken out of the room and the equipment is still the same, how can the sound deterioration or improvement be due to morphic resonance?

My other query is how did Peter hit on the idea of putting a piece of paper under one corner? Was it an accidental discovery? Does it make any difference if you put holes in the paper as I've read in one article?

I had some success in recording to minidisk using an optical link from my cd to my portable hi MD minidisc player. I had always supposed that the recording was easier on the ear because the minidisc player/recorder had been using battery power and not polluted mains electricity to power the recording. Would you say its more likely to be because the battery/minidisc player has a friendlier morphic field?

One thing I have noticed is that some of the cheaper interconnects actually sound better and are certainly less harsh than some of the more expensive ones. I find listening to sound through copper interconnects is a far more enjoyable experience than listening through silver content cables.

Do you and Peter believe that traditional causes of hi-fi sound deterioration have been correctly diagnosed as the source of certain hi-fi problems? e.g. does rfi/emi interference have a detrimental effect on sound? Can an exterior earth stake act as a drain for emi/rfi pollution in the mains and in so doing improve the sound of my hi-fi?

So would you say there two causes/categories of sound deterioration? e.g.:

a) traditional causes and b) morphic resonance problems

I'm really pleased to find your website. At last its great to read that someone is trying to come up with a different approach and way of thinking to deal with these problems.

As someone with no technical background I feel I've always been able to be honest with myself when assessing hi-fi sound, which has lead me to realise that although many hi-fi accessories improve the sound they don't solve the initial problem. Its sad to read you've received such negative, mocking feedback from some within the hi-fi industry but perhaps in 100 years your views will be accepted as fact. I look forward to receiving the Rainbow Foil and I trust your address will be included and details of how to order products.

Gerry Rorke


16th October 2007 A. Martherus.

Subject: Re: Welcome.

Dear Gerry,

It's good to hear about your findings so far.

Try all the freebies on the P.W.B. website! There is a lot to do.

About the freezer: "freeze" your CD-R's before and after burning.

+ Put a recent photograph of yourself into the freezer.

Although I think P.W.B will dramatically reduce your pain problems, you will have to do something about your pain problem.

(Now I'm speaking as a therapist, not as a Hi Fi lover)

It seems to me that your left side and right side of your body are not well connected.

There is a simple technique, called the Wayne Cooke, to overcome this.

Just perform the next 3 exercises for about 1 minute each on a daily basis.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amartherus/sets/72157601476451390/show/

It "integrates" the left/right sides of your body.

(You can search the internet with the term Cooke's hookup.)

And of course, the right listening attitude is to NEVER cross your arms or legs.

Arkie, The Netherlands


16 th October 2007 From Andreas Makridis.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Dear Gerry

What impresses me the most in your message, is that you don't mention any visit to an otolaryngologist during all those years, neither a double blind test that would show, whether the pain has to do with the copies themselves, or with a negative impression about them, after the initial irritation.

Have you tried to listen to your copies through another set of speakers? I am not a specialist, but I would guess that a ringing tweeter due to unwanted resonances, could maybe provoke pain to an injured eardrum.

Andreas


16th October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Re: Welcome.

Dear Arkie,

Thanks for your welcoming e-mail and your good advice. I've just followed your slide show exercise programme. It was a struggle as I had my chair too near the computer!

I'll keep going with the exercises and try out many of P.W.B's products. The thing is though listening to the original album on cd never gives me any ear pain. Its only when I listen to a recording that I've made on a CD-R that I get the pressure-tightening mind crunching right ear pain.

Thanks again for your advice.

Gerry


17th October 2007 Chris Porada.

Subject: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse?

Hi

I'm wondering if anyone has an explanation for an observation I made yesterday. In an effort to balance/counteract the negative effects of the stereo and thus improve the sound, I placed a Lemurian quartz seed crystal on top of my CD player. The sound was awful; it became very brittle and metallic sounding. I moved the crystal to the top of my line amp and this improved things, but the sound was still worse than without the crystal. Does anyone have any idea why this would happen, or which crystals would improve the sound? I thought that certain crystals should improve the sound since they absorb negative energies produced by the electrical/magnetic fields of the stereo, so this result came as a surprise.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Chris


17th October 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse?

Chris,

I would always work from the premise that ANYTHING introduced into the listening environment will have an adverse effect until it is 'treated'. The adverse effect will be different in different positions but, in my opinion, it will still be adverse !!

At least you should always have a jar of our Cream-Electret always to hand for such occasions.

May.


17th October 2007 From James Takamatsu.

Subject: Re: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse?

Aloha Chris-

Speaking as an observationalist, not a theorist, quartz crystals in the listening room tends to make things brighter and often clearer. Years ago, a dramatic demonstration was provided for me by my then VPI dealer. He had a fully loaded VPI TNT/ET2/Benz Micro turntable system, air suspension and all, and played his $10,000 LP deck with and without a tiny crystal on the SAMA motor housing. He said "watch this" as he placed the crystal on the motor and re-played the same cut on the record. The difference was astounding- the drop in noise floor, the focus and clarity and speed were all improved.

When I tried it in my system, the results were more hit and miss. Placing the crystals in my Marantz CD made it too forward, too bright, while my tube output modified Marantz CD sounded clearer and more dynamic. I tried placing them on the rear of my Mordaunt-Short MS-30i speaker drivers (on the recommendation of my dealer) and it sounded noticeably worse. It's very hit and miss. Even my dealer ended up taking some large decorative crystals he displayed in his showroom because they "hardened" the sound.

I don't use them any more- not that I don't believe in them, but the results were too variable. I much prefer treating things with P.W.B.- enhanced magnets. They're equally inexpensive and much more consistent in their performance.

Sincerely, James Takamatsu


18th October 2007 From Chris Porada.

Subject: RE: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse?

Hi James and May

Thanks for your responses, I should have remembered to "cream" the crystals. As to James' observations, these are really quite interesting, because my CD player is also a Marantz, and it never sounded bright until I tried placing the crystal on it. How do you make "P.W.B-enhanced magnets"? I'd like to give those a try.

Thanks. Chris Porada


18th October 2007 From A. Martherus,

Subject: Re: quartz crystal

Anybody playing with crystals and the like, did you know...?

I am not an expert, but I know this for sure...:

Did they never tell you HOW to use these crystals?

You have to rinse them, clean them, on a regular basis, maybe once or twice a week.

Also the first time you use it: first clean it twice as long, and then put it in between your both hands for one minute.

How to clean?

- half an hour in streaming water

- or, several hours in a large cup of water

Also, don't use just any crystal. Every color (or species) has a different meaning. But I am definitely not familiar with this matter, and stick happily with P.W.B.

It is a very good idea of May to cream your crystal.

Let us hear about your findings!

I like those experiments.

Regards, Arkie


18th October 2007 From Gerry Rorke

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Thanks for your message Andreas,

Yes, I've done double-blind testing. When I had completed my first recording onto cassette type I was surprised that it caused me right ear pain. I wasn't expecting it. When I moved onto cd-r recording the pain increased. I can tell the difference in a blind test between the original cd, a cd wav rip to the hard drive, a cd-r and and a cd-rw. I have listened through various speakers, headphones, putting the cd-rs in completely different hi-fi systems. Even if I didn't know that someone else had put one of my cd-r recordings in the hi-fi my ear would tell me within minutes. I would feel the ear get warm, a build up of pressure,( as on a plane), a hardening of the ear and a tight, twisting painful sensation in the ear.

I have no problem at all listening to the original cd album

WAV files ripped to a hard drive can sound a little 'rough' and can make my ear feel warmer but no great problem to listen to.

However cd-rs/cdrws cause me right ear pain within minutes.

This is not a case of auto suggestion. I never expected the recording to cause me ear pain the first time. Original cd albums cause no pain at all. CD-Rs and CDRWs and cassette tapes that I have recorded on are to me painful to listen to.

I didn't mention about blind testing as I assumed that it would have been expected that I had tried that but that was a mistake on my part not to mention it.

Any suggestions would be welcome but I have found that by using a PS Audio P300 power regenerator, a Russ Andrews power cable and TDK cd-rs I get the least painful results but yet still painful to listen to after a short time. Sound quality is fine. There is no obvious harshness in the recording. But something is not right with the sound as it causes major irritation to my right ear.

Thanks for your e-mail. Gerry


19th October 2007 From James Takamatsu

Subject: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse

Aloha Chris-

The magnet treatment is at the P.W.B Electronics website. Go to the Price List, then click on Smart Metal. Also effective, to a varying degree in my experience, is treating the magnets of drive units, also explained in the Smart Metal page.

Sincerely, James Takamatsu


19th October 2007 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: RE: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse?

Hi Chris,

I got really good results from treating magnets.

I used 1/2 to 3/4 inch dia. round hard magnets, sourced from a company called Abel Magnets, based here in the UK. A bag of 50 cost me £5. Don't get the floppy craft magnets, they are useless, as they melt under the soldering iron treatment.

The Smart metal will either fuse onto the magnet, or fall off. Bits that fuse on can be left, or scraped off with a finger nail.

Richard posted, some time ago, about the beneficial treatments that can be applied to a soldering iron and it is worth looking that up. A fully treated iron should give you better results.

I treated about 50 magnets and applied them to radiators, cupboard hinges, storage racking and the garage doors. Basically, anything that a magnet will stick to. I soon used up the 50.

Another thing that you can try is pinning back one corner of a curtain at an angle of 45 degrees. About two or three inches is fine. I used safety pins ( the ones that are used to pin together babies nappies), that I had Creamed and applied Smart Metal to the top end, which were then frozen twice. I tried a pin on one curtain, was pleasantly surprised and spent the next half an hour treating the rest of our curtains. Great stuff !

At the moment, I am Clipping as much of the house as I can get round to. The crucial thing is that I have not touched the Hi-fi yet and the results so far are great.

Regards to all, Brian


20th October 2007 From James Takamatsu.

Subject: RE: quartz crystal makes stereo sound worse?

Aloha Chris and Brian-

In the U.S., my local Walmart sells hard, round magnets in the crafts department. A package of about 50 runs $9 or so. I wish I had bought them there, as I purchased mine from Ace Hardware for something like 80 cents each. I also purchased a dozen extra-strong magnets from a different source.

Treating accessory magnets and speaker driver magnets have a similar effect- this treatment seems to lower the apparent noise floor, rendering instrumental textures as smoother and sweeter. It doesn't do this by lopping off transient detail- in fact, transients sound "faster".

The biggest effect was in treating my old Mordaunt-short speaker magnets. Less so with my subsequent speakers. I am unable to treat my 7 driver Shahinian Obelisks unless I dismantle the speaker but I would guess it would respond very nicely. Other effective areas are steel equipment stands, the steel backing of mirrors, circuit breaker boxes. Well, as Brian will tell you, practically everything in your house. (Though I don't attach magnets to the equipment itself.)

Sincerely, James


19th October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Here's another sound variation I have noted.

When I play my computer windows media files on my pc the sound quality varies tremendously. If I download the music on to my portable Sony jukebox player when the sound quality of windows media is good then when I download the files onto the portable player the sound quality of those files on the portable player is also good. This means that if I play those files on my portable player at a completely different time of day a base level of good sound quality remains. Yes, the sound quality will vary on my portable player from time to time but the 'good' sounding files recorded retain a 'base level' of good sound quality but will sometimes sound even better on the portable at different times.

At the other extreme if I am listening to the same tracks on my Windows Media Player on my PC at a time when the sound quality is bad (harsh, lacking in depth, etc..) then that same music file would retain that 'bad' sound quality when transferred to the portable player. Yes the sound quality would vary on the portable player but the base quality level of the sound would be 'bad' to listen to.

I have often downloaded the same album from the pc to the hard drive a number of times to try to get a good base quality level of sound.

I have observed this in making recordings on my hi-fi cd/hard drive recording deck too. The deck is designed in such a way that a cd can be ripped in an uncompressed pcm format to the deck's hard drive. That recording can then be 'moved' on to a cd-r. If the deck sounds good when I play the original cd album then when I rip the music to the hard disk the sound quality of the hard disk recording retains the good sound quality that I have heard. The sound quality of the hard disk recording will vary when played back at different times of the day but a base level of good sound quality will always be there. By the same token if this good sound quality recording on the hard disk is then moved to a cd-r the resulting cd-r will sound better than if the same tracks were recorded on to a cd-r at a time when my deck sounded 'bad'. However, even if a cd-r is recorded on when my deck is sounding at its best the ear pain will still always occur on playback of the cd-r. My irritated right ear will start to complain after a few minutes even if the sound has great depth, life, etc..

The cd-r recording is changing the sound in some way. Not in a way that is noticable to the listener but on a different level the sounds are confusing and irritating my right ear. Almost in the same way that some LCD screen images look okay but on another level can irritate the eyes causing the viewer to have headaches, yet he/she sees nothing wrong with the images.

Gerry


19th October 2007 From Andreas Makridis

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Gerry

Having a mostly bright system (Pionner Legato Link equipment + Mission loudspeakers) I 've always found the cd-r's (especially those ripped in a computer in high speeds) to be warmer and duller than the originals. You have a repulsion against compressed music recorded in your house, translating in an irritation only in your right ear, but no problem with the same music re-recorded or ripped elsewhere?

I rest my case!

Good luck! Andreas.


23rd October 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain.

Gerry,

I fully appreciate that you have problems and, at times, the most irritating of problems and that you would like to find, from somewhere, a solution to those problems but unfortunately we do not have the answers for all of everyone's (audio) woes. Sorry if we cannot be of more specific help.

We can only point people in the direction of trying the 'free' techniques we list, trying the sample of Foil we send to see if any difference in their sound can be heard. If people hear no changes or no improvements then that is as far as we can go in helping them with any specific and individual

problems.

"Recordings causing ear pain" we unfortunately have no solution for if the general things (free techniques or Rainbow Foil etc.) do not produce results. We do not have the specific answer for every sound variation which people experience.

Yes, people can and do experience sound variations, sometimes describing them as 'harsh sound', sometimes 'sat on/dull' sound, sometimes 'music sounding incoherent', and our techniques are aimed to give a general and overall 'smoothing' of the many problems so that they are less 'annoying'

and less 'spoiling the pleasure'.

If you have tried our 'free' techniques and the sample of Rainbow Foil and have gained no improvements I do not see how our techniques can help you in any specific way. I have recommended the freezing/slow defrost technique,

Arkie has recommended the treating first and then using the freezing/slow defrost technique and all our further recommendations would have to be to continue to carry out the Foiling and freezing before recording and freezing again after recording as well as freezing and foiling many other things. So many of our customers have found that the more they 'treat' their environment, the better are the recordings they make and the better their overall sound is !!

I think that most of the people 'posting' on our Chat Forum would agree and recommend that you continue to 'treat' as much of your environment as possible with the 'free' techniques and the Foil (if it has proved successful for you).

To quote you Gerry from earlier 'postings' :-

>>> "It is sadly one of my most important life goals to solve this problem. My obsessiveness with this is basically ruining my life. My brain just can't leave the problem alone.

I take it I'm the only one in the world to have this problem making

compilation recordings? Can Peter and May help me with this?" <<<

And :-

>>> "I'd be grateful if you would answer another couple of hi-fi queries. I too have noticed that the sound of my hi-fi and PC varies greatly. Sometimes the sound will improve dramatically during listening and then just as suddenly deteriorate (sometimes within the space of 1/2 an hour)." <<<

Might I suggest that you put to one side your obsession with 'home made recordings' and concentrate initially on the sound from 'bought' discs. Try 'treating' your environment in the various ways we have suggested over the years (free and otherwise) and see if you can solve the problem of the sound varying greatly. You have to be able to take control and an overview of your environment and to get used to what affects it and how then, when you gain a understanding of that, you could look again at the 'home recording problem'. I feel that concentrating so much on the 'home recording problem' is too narrow an approach and not the P.W.B. way we look at things.

Regards, May.


23rd October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Hello Andreas,

The CDRs/CDRWs I have recorded contain uncompressed music. Music either recorded from WAV files on the PC or from uncompressed PCM on the hard drive of my CD/HDD recorder (Yamaha CD/HD1300)

I have no problems listening to uncompressed or compressed music on the hard drive of my PC or the hard drive of my CD/HD recorder. Music ripped (recorded) to hard disk has no effect whatsoever on my right ear on playback. I have always assumed that this is due to the extreme low jitter rates of hard disk recording as opposed to CDR/CDRW recording which I believe has substantially higher jitter rates.

So whether I burn MP3 or Wav files as a data disk, or PCM files, WAV files as a cd audio disk the result is the same - right ear pain.

I'm beginning to think that Peter Belts products (although well worth it for the overall sound improvement) will not help me with this problem. My theory is that I have a very sensitive right ear which is some how irritated by sounds recorded on a high jitter medium such as CDR/CDRW. Even the error correction on various cd players on playback is not totally correcting the errors on the CDR/CDRW, which translate as warm sound which somehow 'tweaks' my right ear.

All the best. Gerry


23rd October 2007 From Brian Hannen

Subject: Re: Re: Welcome

Arkie,

What you say about never crossing your limbs intrigues me. I know that meditation techniques often involve the Lotus position ie crossed legs. Is it down to open and closed posture (outer and inner states)? I tried crossed and uncrossed posture a few times while listening, with no recognisable results.

Regards, Brian


23rd October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Thanks for the advice May, which I do really appreciate. I will, as you suggest, concentrate on treating the home environment with P.W.B. products and put the home recording issue to one side. I hope to receive your Rainbow Foil within the next few days. If I do not receive it I'm going to order the electret cream anyway.

Thanks again for your advice. I can't wait to start using P.W. B. products.

I've found the reef knot tip invaluable. But how did Peter come across that idea? I take it that the reef knot is to do with morphic resonance and not to do with cross capacitive cancellation? I know Russ Andrews Accessories sell weaved cables but the reef knot improved sound quality far better than my expensive weaved cables.

Here's hoping that my sample Rainbow Foil turns up in the post.

Gerry


23rd October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: P.W.B. techniques on wireless routers.

Ever since I switched on my wireless internet router the first time I found it had a detrimental effect on every item of hi-fi in my home. Whether I was listening to my hi-fi, windows media player, my hi-md player the sound immediately deteriorated when I switched on the router. I used to like listening to music when I was on the internet. Perhaps that's a thing of the past I mused. I was sure it was just an RFI issue - that was until I tried the reef knot on the ethernet and dc power cable of the wireless router.

I've just listened to Windows Media player - a ripped Doors album stored on the hard-drive of my pc. For the first time since the wireless router came into my life I've enjoyed listening to music with it switched on. Out went the lifeless, hard, flat sound - back came the musical, lively, sweet sound.

What is happening here? The wireless router is downstairs. The pc is upstairs. The reef knots have somehow lessened the effect that the router has on audio components when switched on. Does that mean that the radio signals broadcast by the router and hitherto effecting audio in a negative way are now having a benign, friendly effect on music played?

Is this RFI meets P.W.B. and loses? Gerry


24th October 2007 From A. Martherus.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Gerry,

Reading all previous posts, the following strikes me.

1. Your ear pain has nothing to do with the (varying) sound quality.

2. The constant factor is YOU. You only experience the pain, with recordings made by YOU. Whether it's on cd-r, whether on cassette.

If someone else made the copy (I consider the "original" as a copy) then there is no pain.

My conclusion is that the only thing that has to be treated, is YOU.

But how do you do that?

P.W.B. delivers a few techniques, regarding photographs.

1. put a recent photograph of yourself into the freezer, and one of you as a baby, if possible.

The exact details you can read on the website.

and

2. take two photographs of yourself; put them back to back and upside down; and put some finger nails in between.

You can position this package onto the cd recording machine, or on top of one loudspeaker.

Can't harm to try this theory...

If your pain doesn't go, at least the sound quality will rise.

Good luck. Arkie, The Netherlands


25th October 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: What should be in your hi-fi room?

Hello,

As all P.W.B products are aimed at effecting negative fields so that they are perceived by the human as friendly I would like a section of the newsletter to outline 'things' that would have a positive, friendly field that should make up your hi-fi room and also items to avoid putting in your room. The less negative fields that the listener has to treat, the better.

Also what household cleaners should be used in the hi-fi room? Would any result in giving an object a negative field?

For example should you remove all carpets and replace them with traditional wooden flooring?

Should all hi-fi tables be made from 'real wood' as opposed to composites such as laminated chipboard?

Should you cd collection be in your hi-fi room at all?

And so on and so forth. Gerry


25th October 2007 From cico buff.

Subject: Re: Problems recordings causing ear pain

Hi Gerry,

I was reading about your problem listening to copies of recordings. It's a very unique problem to be sure, I've never heard of this before. If it isn't psychosomatic, that is, you've done enough double blind tests to be sure of this, then I suggest other testing is in order.

When I have to resolve difficult and mysterious computer problems, I rely on the process of elimination to find a solution. So every theory should be put to the test. e.g. Do the same conditions repeat on other people's systems? (Listen to other systems). On both speakers and headphones? (Listen to both). Could it be high jitter? (How about borrowing a jitter reducer or DAC that reduces jitter to negligible amounts, and testing that. But then I seem to recall reading you said it occurred on tapes as well, and those are analogue and not susceptible to jitter (aka timing errors in the digital domain)). Proper experiments should be done for each possibility one can think of, but if you've run out of theories in which to test, perhaps you should have your ears checked by a specialist for damage. Of course if nothing works, you could always use a hard-disk iPod as the source for all your music playback!

cico buff.


3rd November 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: New house !!

One of our customers who reads the Chat Group regularly has asked for suggestions from anyone who may have had the experience he is about to have. Within a week he will be moving into a new house and asks if anyone has any appropriate suggestions as to what to 'treat' initially before it ceases to be a 'clean slate'.

Certainly all pipes and cables which will eventually have appliances and furniture placed in front of them should be 'treated' - at least with Spiratube. One can so easily forget how pipes and cables can soon be hidden by everyday household objects.

Regards, May


4th November 2007 Brian Hannen.

Subject: Re: New house !!

May,

All central-heating radiators can be foiled creamed and clipped and don't forget to Smart Metal some magnets to attach to the rear of the rads. The boiler, itself, can be treated as can electricity and gas meters. The inside of the loft space should be done before it becomes cluttered by all those 'essential items' that we keep hold of 'just in case we need them'. The same would apply to the garage, not forgetting the garage doors .

All interior walls and ceilings can have an application of Cream Electret and Quantum Cream in the corners (about an inch will do). The same applies to skirting boards.

Windows can be 'cleaned' with Morphic Liquid, as can all light bulbs.

Regards and good luck, Brian


8th November 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: Re: New House.

Following on from Brian's suggestions for treating a 'new house' I would also add the following.

Don't forget the remarkable Inside Foil. A strip of Inside Foil should be attached to anywhere which is 'hidden'. For example - inside wardrobes, inside cupboards, at the back of large items of furniture and at the back of large appliances - there are so many areas which we (human beings) cannot

see because they are hidden from view but, nevertheless, we are still attempting to sense what might be there (lurking).

Pieces of the standard (6mm diameter) Spiratube should be applied around cables and the large diameter (12mm) Spiratube should be applied around pipes - particularly if these cables and pipes are eventually going to be inaccessible because larger pieces of furniture and large appliances will be placed in front of them.

Don't forget also the CCU (treated safety pin) to 'treat' Curtains, Carpets and Upholstery.

If you are actually in the process of building your own shelves or even fixing things to the walls, then apply Sol-Electret to the screw threads.

Kind Regards, May


6th November 2007 From A. Martherus.

Subject: Re: Welcome.

Well Brian,

This position was described in one of the newsletters(?), a while ago...

An open posture seems to be related to a relaxed state of mind, and I think it's vice versa. If you attend audio shows, pay attention to the public. A good system or sound always shows less people with arms or legs crossed.

Also I noticed, when demonstrating the P.W.B.- effect to audio-friends, that sometimes they do not hear what I'm hearing. That's always! When they subconsciously cross their arms or legs. Of course I tell them how to listen, but you know, they forget about it, and I only tell them twice.

However you are right, it is not that obvious, when I try it myself. I think that you have to sit in that position for a prolonged time, but then you start to feel that the crossed arms position doesn't feel right. You open up automatically. (Except when it's cold, or when the sound is "cringey" :)

About the meditation technique: I know that the hand palms are always open (and up), and -mind over matter- you have to "open up" spiritually. So your senses will follow.

I thought that Peter once described a position for receiving best sound: on our hands and feet, but with the hand palms facing up...

(I never tried this, but Richard did, didn't you?)

Regards, Arkie


13th November 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: P.W.B. - New article by Bill Kenny of MusicWeb International

Hello Everyone.

There is a new article by Bill Kenny of MusicWeb International called, 'Aa Canna' Change The Laws Of Physics!' : The Science of P.W.B Electronics on our web pages at the link below, or it can be reached from the front pages of the P.W.B. web site at http://www.belt.demon.co.uk

Kind regards. May

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/New_Articles/physics.html


15th November 2007 From cico buff.

Subject: PWB Letter As Device

I received mail from P.W.B the other day, and true to form, I don't throw - anything - out, if it comes from P.W.B. Not even the empty envelope, which I put aside in my "testing" bin for later scrutiny, just in case it too might have an influence. Well now is later, and during the process of trying to make one of these cheap plastico mini-component systems (Sharp C401) more palatable with Belt treatments, I decided to give it the envelope treatment. To my surprise, it made a difference. Not a huge difference (at least not on this system), a difference that might not make it past many people's listening threshold, or may be mistaken for a placebo, but a placebo it wasn't. I tried it enough times to be sure the envelope was really having an influence, and it was a positive one, because I felt more engaged with the music every time the envelope was attached to the mini-component system (in various locations), or simply placed on top of it. n.b. I did not do any treatments to the envelope, it was tested in the condition it arrived. I did not do any further testing to see if it was a particular part of the envelope that created the influence, or if it was just the entire thing in general.

So... you might not want to rush to throw out those P.W.B envelopes (especially if they contained P.W.B devices). If anyone wants to see whether I'm mad or not, I would suggest trying it with the front of the envelope facing outward, and testing it in a discreet place (somewhere you would want to leave it permanently, in case you find it does do something good). One possibility is taping the envelope on the back of the speakers, near the terminals, or simply placing it on top of your gear, near the rear end, right side.

cico buff.


19th November 2007 From Nirmala.

Subject: Grounding the body

Hi all,

I am new to this group, and joined because I wanted to share an observation of an improvement in the sound on my headphone system when grounding my body while listening. I posted the following message to the isolation ward at Audio Asylum (and while I got some pretty funny responses, no one has replied yet that tried out the suggestion):

A while back I was having a problem with static electricity that was so bad I would get sparks between my ears and my Audio Technica headphones. It happened in another house than where I live now and seemed related to the carpet in my office. So I hooked up a 4 inch copper pipe by wiring it to the ground pin of a plug (leaving the other two prongs unconnected). (Note added: As per the suggestion of someone on Audio Asylum I purchased an ESD strap which I now use instead of the pipe for safety reasons. It is important to have a resitor in the wire connecting you to ground. Here is a source for one: http://www.esdproduct.com/ESD_Wrist_Strap.php)

Holding the pipe (Now using the wrist strap instead) definitely took care of the static build up, but I also think I heard a difference in sound. It is hard to put into words, but I do notice now that when I forget to ground myself while listening, I feel like something is missing in the sound. So I grab my grounding pipe and I seem to be able to relax more and get further into the music.

Could be I have hypnotized myself with the power of suggestion, or maybe there is some kind of effect having to do with Peter Belt's theories. I also don't know if the effect is there while listening to speakers or if it is only helpful with headphones.

I would love to hear from anyone else who might want to give this a try. It is ridiculously cheap to do.... you can start with just a wire hooked to a ground pin on a three prong plug (Just be sure to hook up to the right prong! Please, don't hook yourself up to the electricity!) It is only necessary to have the body connected to ground. See note above about using an ESD strap for safety.

Let me know if you hear something or if you think I am crazy. Thanks!

I am also sending this message to this group in case anyone here wants to try this out and see if they hear an effect.

And in addition in response to one of the humorous responses on Audio Asylum I also got thinking about EMF and it's effect on the body. I have some ERS cloth (which absorbs EMF and RF) and so I also tried using that around my head while listening with a further improvement in the sound. It got me wondering if all of the EMF treatments of audio equipment actually work by reducing the EMF striking our body which improves our ability to hear.

There are websites offering EMF clothing and shielding fabrics (i.e.http://www.blockemf.com/) which would be fun to experiment with. I hope to order some of the laundry additive on the blockemf site to use on some of my clothes and see if I hear further improvements with shielding more of my body. I will keep this group posted of my results.

I realize these maybe topics that have been discussed before, but I would love to hear if anyone else also notices a difference with either the grounding of the body, or with shielding the body from EMF.

Warmly, Nirmala


19th November 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Grounding the body

Hello Nirmala,

I've found something similar when wearing headphones - not a static shock but I did feel that when I was listening to music on my pc if I had my hand on the mouse or was typing on the keypad whilst listening to music that the music sounded better. Perhaps some sort of earthing occurring when touching the pc?

But, if you think that's strange. Any music played in our house sounds better if the gas fire in the lounge is on setting two or higher.

Music also sounds much better when the shower in the bathroom is being used. Perhaps the answer lies in earthing for all these things. With the later two occurrences perhaps secondary earth bonding to the water pipe in the bathroom and to the gas pipe produce a far better RFI drain when the gas fire or shower is on.

I feel that with music on my pc, when I am listening to headphones the sound definitely improves if I touch the mouse. It may be something to do with static. It may be the body becoming an earth drain. I don't know but there is a subtle but noticeable beneficial effect on the sound quality.

Of course, P.W.B products have greatly improved my sound in other ways, not related to improving the signal path but improving my reception to the music. But I still find that earthing is an issue for me too.

Gerry


22nd November 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Nirmala - Audio Asylum Question?

Nirmala is asking a serious question. "Was it REAL, did the sound actually improve when I earthed myself, did I actually resolve the information better, giving me improved sound - or did I hypnotise myself into suggesting that it was so ?"

I had been following the discussion on the Audio Asylum site and I was considering doing a reply when I saw that all the subsequent responses to Nirmala's posting were from people either telling him how to earth himself safely or advising him on how to treat 'static' (as in static from such as a carpet) or advising him to isolate himself from the floor (carpet) with spikes !! So, I realised that it was futile responding to that particular 'thread'. ALL those responses were completely ignoring his original serious question.

"Could the sound have ACTUALLY improved by earthing myself or did I imagine the whole thing?"

What I say Nirmala is that you ask yourself the direct question again "Was it for real, did the sound ACTUALLY improve or did I imagine it ?" If your answer is that you are certain that it ACTUALLY happened, that the sound ACTUALLY DID improve, then you stay with that answer, do not get persuaded to join in the ridicule, then begin to ask yourself the further questions.

1) If I heard better sound, meaning that I was hearing additional information which, in turn, allowed my working memory to present a better sound picture to the brain, where did that additional information come from ?

2) If, by earthing myself I was able to 'hear/resolve' additional information, the act of 'earthing myself' surely could not have had any effect on how the information on the disc (source) was retrieved, or had any effect on the audio signal travelling through the audio system, or had any effect on the acoustic air pressure waves in the room, so where had that additional information come from ?

3) Could that additional information have been there, available, all the time ? But I had just not been able to resolve it correctly UNTIL.... ?

Conventional and acoustic theorists say that 'sound' is the audio signal travelling through the audio equipment which then becomes acoustic air pressure waves from the speakers to the ear drum. So, how could earthing yourself possibly have had any effect on the audio signal travelling through the audio equipment or have any effect on the acoustic air pressure waves travelling the tiny distance from the headphone diaphragm to the ear drum ?

The people replying to you on the Audio Asylum forum did not explain, in any way, how 'earthing yourself safely' or 'dealing with static from the carpet' or 'applying spikes' could possibly have an effect on the air pressure waves going from the headphone diaphragm to your ear drum or how doing those things could possibly affect the 'sound'. All they told you was how to earth yourself safely, how to treat static or to apply spikes.

I think that the basic P.W.B answer would be that the very act of 'grounding' altered the relationship which Nirmala had with his environment and, if the sound was perceived as much improved, then that changed relationship was beneficial. That the act of 'grounding' altered Nirmala's reaction to his environment, allowing him to resolve more of the information which had been available to him all the time. That when he is not 'grounding' himself, then his experience is that the sound is 'not as good'. The additional information would still be there, available, but he is not now able to resolve it correctly !!!

The discussion on Audio Asylum became further removed from Nirmala's original question when the possibility of an EMF and RF effect was introduced with illustrations of Foil hats !!! Again, if one is wanting to consider an effect caused by EMF and RF, then one has to explain HOW and WHERE EMF and RF could be affecting the 'sound' !! And I don't mean by them affecting the audio signal or affecting the acoustic air pressure waves. If one is considering that EMF or RF could be affecting the body or the brain, then one has to ask the question "Why, how, does it affect the sound (the hearing)."

I am afraid that that is how so many discussions end up on many Internet Audio sites - they degenerate into ridicule - which then kills the original discussion. It is disappointing when such as Nirmala asks an interesting question and it becomes sidetracked.

Yes, we like and fully appreciate humour on the P.W.B. Forum but I think we much prefer such humour as Kevin Kehoe's superb cartoons - which reminds me - another one of his treats is coming in the Christmas Newsletter !!

Kind Regards, May Belt.


22nd November 2007 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Nirmala - Audio Asylum Question?

A good and thoughtful answer May. But could an other possibility be that a human could act as a fair earth drain for RF interference in the system? I still believe RFI seriously affects the transmitted sound. External earth rods are meant to go into moist soil. A human is 70% water. So earthing to a human? I'm not disputing there are two ways of seeing this issue but I believe RFI destroys the subtlety of hi-fi sound.

I think perhaps the main question to consider is whether the sound is being altered or the perception of the sound is being altered.

Gerry


22nd November 2007 From Nirmala.

Subject: Re: Nirmala - Audio Asylum Question?

Thanks May and Gerry for your thoughtful replies. The response to my post on AudioAsylum was quite humorous and so I just joined in for what it was worth. And it turns out it still was productive as it got me to thinking about the possible effects of EMF shielding of specificaly the body on our ability to hear, which I plan to experiment with more in the near future, and I will report back on my experiences.

And May, I especially appreciate your encouraging me to trust my own ears. The effect I experience is subtle and hard to put into words. It seems to be more of an ability to relax on my part which then translates into hearing further into the music. I do notice that as I ground myself the effect of hearing more comes on gradually over 4-5 seconds of time. And actually I can't really say which comes first the relaxation or the hearing more into the music, and of course both of those could be effects and not causes.

I also like the way you lay out the logic for explaining any effect as an effect on my hearing/resolving. Part of what I love about the whole audiophile endeavor is how it does often come back around to the last few inches of "wiring".....inside the ear, head and the mystery of consciousness itself. Consciousness is a total mystery and yet what a rich thing to explore. It seems that the very basic nature of consciousness is a sensitivity to everything that happens. And Peter Belt's theories in a sense just expand that sensitivity to include everything happening in the environment when we listen to music, not just the sound waves.

Thanks again. It's great to get some more "serious" responses to my questions.

Warmly, Nirmala


1st December 2007 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Re: Grounding the body

Hi Nirmala,

and welcome to the wonderful world of P.W.B. A while back, I floated a question regarding room ionisers. May was not deadly against anyone trying one out, but did say that any new item introduced should be made into a 'device'. At the very least one could SR foil, Cream and, if possible, freeze. You may want to do that with anything that you are using to earth yourself.

Regards, Brian


3rd December 2007 From Nirmala.

Subject: Removing items from the listening room

Please excuse me if this is one of those questions that every newbie asks, but is there a potential benefit from removing items such as unused CDs, batteries, electronic equipment and the like from the listening room? My question kind of boils down to: would it help to move some of this stuff out to the garage.... or will they have just as much negative effect from there?

I am willing to give it a try, but wanted to see if anyone had experimented in this way.

Nirmala


4th December 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: Re: Removing articles from the listening room.

Yes, Nirmala, you would be surprised at the improvement you can gain by removing unused CDs, batteries, electronic equipment and the like from the listening room to the garage. Then, later, if you give any of those things away or sell them and they are no longer in your territory, you would gain a further improvement. If things HAVE to stay in your listening room, then they should be 'treated' to minimise their effect.

You (the human being) are obviously far more concerned with the immediate environment you are in (the room you are in) but you are also 'keeping a wary eye' on the rest of your territory so you will have some sensitivity to what is going on in other rooms.

Kind Regards, May


4th December 2007 From Nirmala.

Subject: Re: Removing articles from the listening room.

That was just the encouragement I needed. I just spent a half an hour moving about a hundred pounds of CDs, batteries and old electronics out to the garage or at least to the hall closet..... and it did make a difference. I recently switched to using noise reducing Etymotic in-ear monitors from my regular headphones to reduce background noise, but I was noticing a kind of fatiguing brightness to these very analytical headphones. After moving the CDs etc. out of my listening room there is a noticeable smoothing out of the high end. And as a side benefit, it just so happens that I have been selling a lot of extra gadgets and stuff on Ebay lately, and this helped clean my closet out even more!

And by the way, May, I totally get that this is not due to EMF or any of the usual explanations for improvements in sound. The electronics were all sitting there unplugged, so it must have been the "morphic fields" of the items in my room. And please excuse me if my terminology is not quite right; what is the way that you describe or define the effect in a few words? Is morphic field close enough? Or do you have a more descriptive or accurate term for the effects you have been studying?

Nirmala.


5th December 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: Re: Removing articles from the listening room.

Nirmala,

I don't really know if we have a descriptive or accurate term for our discoveries and subsequent techniques.

We only became more seriously aware of Rupert Sheldrake's concept of 'morphic resonance energy patterns' about halfway through our experiments and subsequent discoveries. 'Morphic Resonance energy patterns' are now, yes, part of our understanding of what must be going on and, yes, dictate many of our treatments but our initial discovery was that it was the human being's sensitivity to their environment which was, in so many instances, what was changing the sound. And this was some time before we became aware of the concept of 'morphic resonance energy patterns'.

A question to those of our customers who have seen the film of my talks. Did my description of our discoveries show a helpful and meaningful progression of those discoveries ? The reason why I ask is that I am attempting to describe (in writing) our discoveries showing this progression - how one thing led to another which, in turn, then confirmed something else.

Kind Regards, May


5th December 2007 From Alan Jeffrey Marcy

Subject: Re: Removing articles from the listening room.

Hi Ears!

I just call it growth. My listening just keeps growing as I try this and that. Not everything improves the sound, some simply improves the old listener.

I just read e mail with picture of my nephews baby boy.

Yes, sound got more fun very quickly :)

Happy Ears! Alan.


7th December 2007 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Pianos and headphones

Hi all,

I think that I have already mentioned that I have comprehensively treated my friend Kay's upright piano, and the room that it is in. Kay has been taking piano lessons, at home, from a guy who is a session musician. Recently, he has said that he really likes the sound of the piano, as it is now. He is fully aware that it has been Belted, (this caused some initial bemusement from him), but now he wants to buy it from her!

Kay doesn't want to sell the piano, but I have asked her to tell him that I will Belt his piano, when he gets one.

I have also treated some headphones for a friend at work. Steve is a Soul fan and buys most of it on vinyl ,specialising in the Philly stuff. Not my taste, I must admit, but I saw an opportunity to spread the word on P.W.B. He was after some new headphones, so that he could listen late at night . As he didn't want to spend a fortune, I recommended Sennheiser PX40s (I have a pair, they cost around £40). When he bought them, I suggested that he spent a week getting used to them and then to bring them in for me to take away and treat. I did this and gave them back to him. He was a bit puzzled by the knot, foil and the Spiratube but gave it a try over the weekend. He came back on the Monday morning with 'Bloody Hell, Bri, what have you done to them? They sound really good, More bass and better treble Much better sound'. Result!

Regards to all, Brian


8th December 2007 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Pianos and headphones.

Brian,

Your 'posting' is as good as a Christmas present !! Your confirmation of what other people can hear is so encouraging.

You can imagine mine and Peter's sheer frustration over these past 25 years.

We were, back then, already P.W.B 'treating' our piano and our two guitars, our next door neighbour was P.W.B 'treating' his guitars and his keyboard and his double bass, we P.W.B 'treated' Jimmy Hughes' guitar and so on. As well, we (and others) were P.W.B 'treating' all makes of headphones, speakers, turntables, CD players, amplifiers etc.. Etc. But, when these things began to be reported, as Richard Graham points out in the latest (Christmas 2007) Newsletter "the backlash was just as extraordinary, with key manufacturers threatening to withdraw advertising revenue from the magazines."

One would think that in the space of the past 25 years people SHOULD now be able to come to terms with what Peter has discovered, particularly when it is all about improving their sound !!

Unfortunately, the backlash still seems to carry on unabated.

Last year, on the Stereophile chat forum, under a section headed "Why do so many buy into the "cons" in high-end Audio" someone calling themselves 'Buddha' replied :-

>>> "The Peter Belts of this world are sly, like the serpent. They are driven off, but then always find ways to slither back into to hobby to suck the green life blood from the uninitiated.. We, as ethical audiophiles, have a duty to remember the past, so that others aren't doomed to repeat it." <<<

And, after the following response by 'Buddha' (still determined to have a go at Peter)

>>> "I surely wouldn't stand between and audiophile and the person taking his hard earned cash, but neither will I sit idly by while people blow smoke up our collective asses without me trying to get the audiophile community to really see what claims are being made and to think about the implications of these claims." <<<

To which John Atkinson, Editor of Stereophile (and former Editor of Hi Fi News) replied.

>>> "Amen to that," <<<

A few months ago, on one of the Audio Asylum internet sites someone calling themselves Enophile concluded in a long article that "The people who can hear P.W.B. Devices and techniques improve their sound must NEED such a 'prop', such a 'talisman' such a 'ritual' in order to relax and hear what they equipment can produce but that he (Enophile) did not need such props, such talismen, such rituals as he was 'there already' !!!"

Thank you Brian. Your 'posting' has come like a breath of fresh air !!

Kind Regards, May


16th December 2007 From cico buff

Subject: I Read The News Today, Oh Boy! (It contained a Magic Xmas Card)

I'm at my friend's house today, and have been listening to music much of the day, both on the stereo and the computer's sound system. The sound is particularly good today, such that it's been a thrill to listen to music, because I'm hearing everything I put on in a new way. e.g. I started playing John Lennon's "It's So Hard" on the computer, and it was so realistic-sounding, that I was hearing it and all the Lennon songs that followed, with better SQ than I ever had before on any system. To put things into perspective, we're talking about a computer with a low end 2.1 Logitech speaker system worth $40 retail some 5 years ago.

Why does everything sound so good today?! My guess is the Xmas card sitting under the amplifier. What fun it was to receive and open this!

I knew there was something special about these cards, and I tried to find out where the PWB elves hid the "magic". It wasn't obvious, but my best guess there would have been the 3 leaves design. In any case, it's a brilliant piece of work. What also wasn't obvious at first, was that it could improve perception of sound.

I was eager to test it, but didn't quite know how best to, so I just placed it on a CD-R next to my friend's home stereo. Before that, I listened attentively to acquaint myself with the present sound. Which was very nice; a very engaging sound once you got going. Slightly less so after the Xmas card was resting on a (blank) CD-R. It wasn't an improvement to my ears. So I went back to read the note that came with it and aha, there's a suggestion to place it under the foot of a component. Which I did, under the amp (after having removed the blue circle of paper that was already there). Now there was no mistaking it, this was brilliant! New revelations over the bass lines and various melodies and dynamics in The Beatles "A Day In The Life" made me more fully appreciate the mastery behind the creation of this legendary classic tune. It wasn't a case of "Oh, I'm listening more attentively because I think I've got a sound-enhancing gadget at hand, therefore that is the reason why I'm hearing more of a song I've heard many times before over decades of time". (As some skeptics would like to convince themselves of). I was hearing more because there was more there to hear. The melodies of songs I was hearing was also staying with me hours later, even the next day. That too is often an artifact of improved sound reproduction.

My SO knows about P.W.B, so she wanted to listen to this thing. But she didn't act like she thought it would do anything. Once the test was underway though, I could tell from her expression that she definitely favoured the sound with the Xmas card under the amp. With translation by me (to English), she described it (the presentation with the card) as "more spiritual... (takes you to) another more profound dimension... more sincere, pure.... you are part of a more vast environment... like in the middle of the ocean, surrounded by an enveloping nature... a presence that nourishes a void...." umm, etc..

I guess it's another way of saying "The P.W.B Xmas Card rocks!". Thanks Peter, May, Graham and wishing you and all the P.W.B elves the best xmas of all.

Cico


20th December 2007 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Lord Snooty and his pals…

..tap-dancing in my front porch!! How can this be? It's all down to my recent Belting activities and the addition of the lovely Xmas card from P.W.B, which got an appreciative look, and went straight under one of the feet of my V+ box. Like Cico, I tried to work out what had been done to the card and came to the conclusion that it must be the stickers that were the 'important bits'.

A recent flurry of activity saw me attacking the kitchen in that each tile (floor and wall) was creamed, Quantum creamed, Clipped and Super-wiped. As I was doing that I noticed that the under cupboard strip-lights were decidedly grubby, so I cleaned and treated them (and their holders) too. The result was a wider and slightly deeper soundstage with better transients. This sort of thing brings to mind what Kevin has said before: you reckon that you have reached a sort of plateau, can't conceive that it can get any better, and then it does. I guess that's what keeps me going.

I am now down to one, very precious, drop of the sample of One Drop Liquid. It is earmarked for my, soon to be bought, HDTV and for a quick splodge on the window of the new AV processor. I keep checking the bottle to make sure that there has been no evaporation, it's that special. I will get a full bottle soon but, for now, I have a Digiplus and two phono plugs to play with.

This Xmas, thanks to Arkie, I will be mostly drawing Lemniscates on as many things as I can find. Curiosity got the better of me and I looked it up on Google. The word means pendant ribbon in Latin but, as I was bamboozled with lots of Maths equations, I gave up any further enquiry.

That's all for now folks,

I wish you all a Happy Xmas and New Year, Brian


15th January 2008 From Jonathan Leckie.

Subject: Hello Everyone

Hello

Just wanted to say Hi to everyone as a P.W.B newbie and to say a big thank you to Graham for helping me get signed up!

I've had some experience of P.W.B products over the past few years and followed the newsletters, and I've also read Rupert Sheldrake's Presence of the Past.

I have a keen interest in music and sound reproduction. I'm very excited about the discovery that our perception of sound and indeed vision can be affected quite profoundly by our response to the environment. May I take this opportunity to thank Peter and May for their invaluable pioneering work they have made in this area and for persevering in spite of considerable opposition and resistance at times from the influential and powerful audio industry.

I do hope to contribute now and again in a modest way with some of my own insights and experiences.

With best wishes to you all. Jonathan Leckie


16th January 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Welcome to the P.W.B Chat Forum

Welcome to the P.W.B Chat Forum Jonathan. I am sure you will find other people's experiences using our devices and techniques helpful and interesting.

I never fail to be amazed, on reading through people's 'postings' when preparing a selection to go with each Newsletter, of people's preparedness to 'try' and to 'experiment'. Even more so to then share their experiences with others. Quite possibly it is to do with being able to talk to others who have shared the experience of improving their sound by such unusual methods ! So often our customers will describe to me being met with ridicule and derision when they try to describe to other 'audio enthusiasts' how to improve their sound with relatively simple but unusual techniques.

Another thing I am pleased about Jonathan, is that you have read Sheldrake's book "The Presence of the Past". In a recent discussion I was having with someone on an internet audio site I recommended that they too should read that particular book of Sheldrake's. He did, but HIS reaction was:-

>>> "I've checked out the book (The Presence of the Past,'88,first Ed.), read some of it and and parsed through more. I'm just not seeing much of anything there, nothing to sink a tooth into. Just calling everything a field doesn't make it so.

If you still have a copy and could point to a couple of relevant sections I'd appreciate it. If I understand you correctly you've found something in this book useful to help explain your observations that things like telephones and magnets produce a field that affects the listener. I'd like to go directly there at this point.

So, for now, I reject the morphic resonance hypothesis, I simply see no reason for it nor facts that support it." <<<

Which, to my way of thinking, means that everything this person has experienced regarding sound he has been able to explain from within conventional electronic or acoustic theories.

Whereas, the numerous people who have had successful experiences with such as our Red 'x' Pen will be only too aware that there is nothing within conventional electronic or acoustic theories which can explain any such effect on sound ! That one HAS TO look elsewhere for some explanations.

Sheldrake's concept of 'morphic resonance' and 'linkage' may not be to everyone's taste but at least Sheldrake has attempted an explanation for so many of the anomalies he had observed. Peter and I fully acknowledge that we have been able to stand on Sheldrake's shoulders and gain a far better understanding of 'things being linked'.

Continue to have fun,

Kind Regards, May


16th January 2008 From Tom Marsden.

Subject: Christmas Newsletter

A belated thanks Richard for the 2007 Christmas Newsletter. Your enthusiasm and hard work over the years has helped enormously to bring P.W.B`s discoveries to a greater number of hi-fi enthusiasts and your support , I am certain, immensely appreciated by Peter and May.. A special thanks also to Kevin who every year produces those brilliant cartoons - I envy his artistic skills. The Christmas Newsletter is always something special because these days it comes with the P.W.B Christmas Card and I have to admit it is the one card that I look forward to more than any other; surely the perfect Christmas Card for any audiophile. Where else in the world can you be given a greeting card that improves the sound from your audio system ( and who would believe you?) and it comes free. No wonder there are those who ridicule P.W.B but we fortunates who have the insight will always have the last laugh.

Every Christmas I display these unique cards which now total thirteen and now dominate their own area.

Your leading article Richard took me down memory lane and like yourself I first became interested with P.W.B products from reading the astonishing articles in `Hi-fi Answers` magazine by Jimmy Hughes - where is he now? I became more interested when I attended the Hi-fi show at the Last Drop Inn Hotel Bolton. This would be about 1988/9 when the Hi-fi Answers team were demonstrating the superiority of a P.W.B treated Dat machine over a Cd player - the Dat recording having been taken from the Cd player.

Apparently the demonstration room had been giving them a lot of problems preventing them from producing a good sound so they had called on Peter to try and solve the problem; which he did to the relief and delight of the demonstrators. During the demonstration that I attended; the Hi-fi Answers team were full of praise for the transformation that Peter had brought about in curing the room problems. May has mentioned this Hi-fi show in past postings and one can understand her frustration that these people, who were so grateful at the time, are still around but are now nowhere to be seen when it comes to recognising the work of Peter which, since those early days, has now advanced tremendously. Soon after the Hi-fi show I contacted P.W.B and visited Peter and May at their Leeds premises. I remember during the meeting that I mentioned that the reading glasses( that I had only recently started using) I found to be stressful. Peter immediately produced a plastic syringe looking device and treated my glasses. To my amazement everything suddenly became much brighter and clearer and the music we were listening to took on a higher quality. The stress when using the glasses was now considerably reduced and with later P.W.B treatments is now non-existent. At the meeting Peter recommended tying a Reef Knot in all cables ( my first association with Hi-fi and the now famous reef knot). At the time I was making up my own audio interconnects - and still do - and delving into the use of LC-OFC and PCOCC cables so you can appreciate I was fairly tuned to the sound of different conductors. So when I arrived home after the visit to Leeds I immediately decided to test out Peter`s recommendation. I chose a 16ft interconnect between a pre-amp and power amp. The effect was mind blowing. I was staggered that such a simple technique could bring such a profound improvement in sound quality. I had to phone Peter immediately and express my sheer delight at what had happened. From that moment I was a totally committed P.W.B enthusiast. Since then I have tied many Reef Knots; they have always improved the sound but none has had that initial impact.

Most of my Hi-fi listening these days is solo piano and my latest Cd acquisition has been Mitsuko Uchida playing the `Hammerklavier`sonata. The performance is mesmerising and the recording quality demonstration class! To this Cd I have applied every P.W.B treatment that this veteran is aware of - including Freezing, every Foil, Clear Film, Red Pen, Ink treatments, Clip, Creams, Spray, One Drop and Super Wipe. The results have made the effort worthwhile. Warning! Beware of using Memory foil on Cds. Once you have tried it on a Cd no other Cd will sound right unless it has had the foil applied.

Memory Foil is the most expensive but you can cut it as thin as you like. After this fully comprehensive treatment I was quietly confident that this Cd could not sound any better unless real money was spent. How wrong you can be? The Christmas Newsletter proved it with Arkies article. Over the past Arkie has contributed some thought provoking articles. Many of which I found to be rather cerebral and to be truthful, left me scratching my head.

However in the Christmas Newsletter Arkie has produced a cracker ( couldn`t resist the pun). With his article on the Lemniscate he has dug up a real gem. Applying his findings to the `Hammerklavier `Cd brought about an immediate improvement and I have since applied the symbol to numerous areas and every one seems to be effective. Every surface of my loudspeakers, cones, equipments etc.. Try it on the P.W.B Christmas Letter for instance. I have to say I have elaborated on Arkies technique in so much that after tapping the symbol I then clip it, apply One Drop and Superwipe. The results I find are outstanding and while you are at it try One Drop and Superwipe on `x26`x. Over the Christmas period I have been evaluating at home a pair of Musical Fidelity Supercharger Power Amps. and I can tell you that the Lemniscate application has a more noticeable effect than the Superchargers in circuit. The Superchargers, however, do bring other qualities. The Lemniscate is so good that I think P.W.B should go about producing a Foil or Label incorporating the symbol. Even as I type this out it is probable there is a certain person in Leeds beavering away on such a product. 2007 has been another good year for P.W.B enthusiasts with the introduction of One Drop Liquid and one wonders if 2008 will see the introduction another outstanding product. Where does the man get his ideas from?

Very best wishes to every one for 2008.

Tom.


18th January 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Cream Electret and Reef Knots

Dear All,

No matter how diligent you are with Cream Electret and a Superwipe, there is always more that can be done to bring about a reward for the effort. I have posted many times on the treatment of the home environment – especially after an extended session with the Red `X' Pen or Cream Electret. I must admit though, trying to keep abreast of all the bar codes entering the house is like trying to keep the rabbit population under control as, for every one treated, two or three more untreated items can easily be found. The great thing about treatment with the Cream is that you can always find permanent fixtures about the house that had not been previously treated which, after a few have been dabbed and wiped, usually bring a reward. Many of my previous excursions involved the treating of things like large items of furniture, skirting boards, window and door frames, fixtures and fittings and electrical equipment. With an hour or two to spare recently, I decided to focus in on the smaller items that make up the vast majority of the `stuff' that fill the house and, to close in even more, limited the treatments to all the metallic items I could find be they brass, aluminium, steel etc. etc.. Things like door hinges I might have covered previously but it is amazing how much you find that would merit a speculative dab and wipe. Individual metal drawer handles and slide runners for instance, and their contents – things like tins, makeup containers, badges, jewellery, and all manner of everyday items. Pictures on the walls have been treated but not the twisted steel hanging wire that attaches them to the wall hooks. Then there are the glass and porcelain items, many of which have metal supports or metal integrated into the design. Every piece of furniture has additional metal components from fixing brackets to concealed hinges, and then there are soft furnishing containing zips and drapes with metal tie back arrangements – in fact the list could go on and on but I mention those just to illustrate the point. The Result is worth every minute of the effort put in and in a few months time I shall do another treatment session, only this time I might concentrate on plastics. Of course this activity could be carried right through the house and each room treated has the potential to lift the sound and improve the TV picture a little more.

It is never too late to benefit from the free treatments as posted on the P.W.B. website. I was reading back through the posts over the last year or and was inspired to tie a few more reef knots. This was before Tom's recent posting but I am delighted to read of his successful reef knot tying experiences down the years. My knot tying got off to a rather shaky start as, not having been a scout, I did not know a reef from a granny and so, at best, fifty percent were probably wrong with the result that I did not quite get the point of it all at first. Luckily enough, I persisted with this and some other early Belt inspired treatments and never looked back. I have a pair of Mission 744 speakers and, for many years now, have experienced some very wonderful sound lifts from various Belt treatments. I have removed the bass and treble units in the past to treat the magnets with Magnadiscs, Green Cream etc.. I also carried out other treatments such as Foiling, various Creams, and Sol-electret to the connections.

The other day, I got to wondering if the leads from the crossover to the drivers would be long enough to allow me to tie reef knots in them and, taking a look, found they were. After about twenty minutes work, I was ready for a listen. As I have said many times before, I only post when I hear something that is significant enough to warrant a posting and the result here definitely falls into this category.

Like Belt treatments proper, the change was unmistakeable and easily heard on every CD and vinyl record played. By way of an example, I have a vinyl copy of the Roaches first LP - The Roaches by the way, are a New Jersey group of three sisters and when they sing in close harmony, it is as if the individual voices merge but, as the years passed, and Belt treatments progressed, the individual character of each voice became more and more apparent and separated away from each other in subtle tone values which adds immensely to the enjoyment of the performance. Tying reef knots in the speaker internal wiring produced, in this instance, as good a sound lift as a P.W.B. Device.

For anyone who has yet to try this tip I say again, take care it is a reef and not a granny, as grannys don't work. I was about to make a quip about grandads not working either but I would only wish I had deleted it!

We are well into the New Year and, as usual, I am thinking the sound cannot get much better and again as usual, with a tip or two from the good people of this forum, I will not be that surprised if it will!

Arkie is first out of the blocks with his Lemniscates tip and I will give it a good try out when my latest Belt work beds in.

I too would like to thank Richard for all the hard work in getting the Newsletters together, as well as for all the tips insights `straight from the horses mouth' that send us scurrying off to see what sound benefits can be gained from them. Most of all though, a huge thanks to May, Peter, Graham and all at P.W.B. for all the musical enjoyment, fun and sense of wonder they have brought us over the years.

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.


25th January 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: P.W.B. - Latest Article by Bill Kenny - Now online

P.W.B. - Latest Article by Bill Kenny - Now online

Hello Everyone.

Happy New Year.

The latest thought provoking article by Bill Kenny "The Genius Loci Mystery:

Speculations on Domestic Listening, Room Energies, and P.W.B Products." is now available on the front page of our web site - Link below.

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/New_Articles/The_Genius_Loci_Mystery.html

Kind regards. May


28th January 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Latest Bill Kenny P.W.B. Article

Reading Bill Kenny's latest P.W.B. related article `The Genius Loci Mystery' provoked a few thoughts that I thought worth a mention. When Bill said that he has a mental picture in his head of how his system should sound, it brought to mind the first time I heard music reproduced on a fairly decent hi fi set up. It was the late sixties and I had been but a few years into my working life when the opportunity arose to hear a system owned by one of the older engineers I worked with. I remember the Garrard 401 turntable with SME arm and the Armstrong amp but cannot recall the speakers. Up to this point, all I ever listened to came from a Dancette record player or, on occasion, a radiogram owned by fairly well off parents of a work mate. The sound from that system made an impression I never forgot. Most of all, it was the `out of the box' presentation of the music – all clean and surrounded by space where the symbols rang like a bell and the bass had real notes present – a Dancette would never be good enough again. It was the sound I carried around in my head for many years – to this day in fact - as I tried to put together more modest sound systems of my own. I remember a Connoisseur BD1 turntable, Sinclair pre amp along with a pair of Sinclair `Z something or other' power amps and Sinclair power supply was one set up I had for a few years driving Heathkit bookshelf speakers. Systems came and went but none quite managed to sound as good as the system I heard that day. For me, when I first came across P.W.B. and started to hear unmistakeable changes taking place, it was always pretty much leading in the direction of the sound I had in my head, where each improvement brought the sound nearer to my notion of reality as it was perceived on that system. I have used a great many different P.W.B. devices over the years and found that many of them had the effect of bringing the sound up a notch or two for the same volume level whilst, at the same time, putting the sound in the room with more presence and transparency. Happily for me, the changes are still going in the right direction.

I do not however, have as firm a mental picture of the ideal live concert experience in my head. If there is an image at all it is a sort of distillation of many concerts: from a folk musician in the back room of a noisy pub to the expanse and dynamics of a full orchestra and chorus playing Beethoven's ninth. You learn that, in some cases, the back street pub venue can sound better than the most expensive purpose built concert hall. Most of us now know some of the reasons behind this. About ten years ago, we used to regularly attend the free BBC 3 live broadcasts from the long gone Pebble Mill centre in Birmingham as part of a small audience in the broadcast studio. Many of those concerts, featuring everything from piano pieces to string quartets and choral groups, were superb sounding in spite of the forest of microphone booms and other technical equipment strewn about, and came as close as I could imagine to the ideal live classical sound. I have to say that my current, still relatively modest system, is well capable of producing a very good recreation of that sound. The most important gain from P.W.B. however, is the ability to listen to music for years on end without the nagging feeling that something is lacking in the reproduction chain.

One more point: For Christmas, we purchased for my mother, a DAB radio and CD player unit with separate speakers. Before taking it down to her house, I could not resist trying it out to see how it sounded in our house. Straight out of the box it sounded very good indeed – almost to the point where you could happily live with it!

This however, was not the case when we tried it at mum's house. No matter where we positioned the speakers the good sound had vanished! What we were hearing was, at best, tolerable and even some modest Belt treatments did not bring it up much. To mum however, it sounded great! Although not a scientific test, it did provide a pointer as to the importance of treating the environment as well as the equipment - or, at least, indicates that the environment in which a system operates has a bearing on how it sounds.

Please take the above comments as strictly my own experiences regarding Belt treatments. I am well aware of others on the forum that have, on odd occasions, been unsure of some of the sound changes brought about by P.W.B. treatments. The worst case scenario for me with regard to P.W.B. is a few instances where the expected Belt sound lift from a device has been less than expected. However, experience has shown that sometimes I have to look to myself to blame for not following the instructions correctly before diving in feet first in my haste to get a result – reef knots for instance!

Finally, I would like to say that I think the series of articles by Bill on P.W.B. are the best journalistic pieces on the subject I have read since the heady days of Hi Fi Answers

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.


29th January 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Smart Metal

Hi everyone,

You may remember a month or so back, one of our customers asked for suggestions on how to 'Belt' a new house he would shortly be moving into. He has now reported back with some of the 'work in progress'.

He had obviously followed Brian Hannan's recommendations from our Chat Forum a couple of years back and had "treated quite a number of the small disc magnets with our Smart Metal and placed them everywhere through the house"

Even I can be oblivious to and surprised at just how much steel and iron is 'scattered' around the house, in the most unusual and unexpected places.

What I like about that particular magnets/Smart Metal technique is that it allows people to, very easily, do numerous before, after, and back to before listening experiments as the small 'treated' magnets can be attached and removed so easily and quickly.

Kind Regards, May


29th January 2008 From Bill Kenny.

Subject: Re: Latest Bill Kenny P.W.B. Article

Thanks Kevin, both for your ideas and kind remarks.

Like you I started listening to records back in the Dansette days, progressing from a Garrard SP 25 record deck plus Rogers Cadet III amp and home made speakers to ever more expensive equipment as I grew older and (slightly) richer – sometimes with distinctly mixed results.

I discovered P.W.B about 25 years ago, tried Spiratube and Rainbow Foils and eventually splashed out on the P.W.B Electret charge field 'syringe' which yielded spectacular results. It was finding this hidden in a box of audio gubbins in the attic that got me going again – except that I had forgotten how to use it.

My problem with it is that it has two labels on opposing sides of the syringe barrel and while I recall that the labels were meant to indicate +ve and –ve charge fields, I can't remember how the effects could be removed after application. If anyone can recall the instructions for this device I'd be glad to hear them, because I'm always wary of being unable to return to the 'untreated' state with any P.W.B process –especially now when I'm methodically working through a lot of permutations.

As you see from the article, I'm currently fascinated by the two independent variables, listening style and environmental effects and think I have fairly well sorted out the first of these in my mind.

A couple of years ago, when I first encountered the MusicWeb reference system, (see http://www.musicweb-international.com/MusicWeb_House/Listening_Studio.htm ) I found it too loud by a margin unless I turned the wick down considerably from the owner's preferred level. Having discussed why this was happening, he said that he likes to feel he's in the front row at an orchestral concert, while I prefer to be further back. On reflection though, I realise that if the music is too loud in a concert hall, I can't hear the hall's acoustic – probably because as I get older my ears get poorer at filtering loud sounds. And because the acoustic seems important to me as a marker of realism in broadcasts or recordings, I like to hear that as well as the music when listening at home. This accounts I think, for why treating the new speakers - which seemed to increase the volume levels – felt uncomfortable to me and why I play recorded music at lower levels than many. In fact, now I come to think about it, I vaguely remember the esteemed Jimmy Hughes writing about optimum loudness for particular recordings, back in the days when he was exploring P.W.B. The loss of acoustical ambience might be just the missing factor I needed to explain why I preferred my new speakers 'unbelted' - though this may not be an issue for others of course.

I do need to test out the environmental variables a bit more however, in the same way that you mentioned in connection with the new DAB radio. As soon as I can get A Round Tuit as they say here in Devon, I plan to take the heavily Belted and frozen £25 DVD player that I constantly write about, over to Audio Destination's show room and try it out there. It sounds amazing in my house (and has astonishingly good pictures) but it will be interesting to discover how it performs in an untreated listening room. If , as I expect, it doesn't do as well there, this will give me an angle on the proportional importance (s) of treating equipment versus the listening environment – which, if it does nothing else, will provide me with a focus for my next experiments.

One thing's absolutely for sure though, exploring P.W.B's products and theories is a very worthwhile indeed and the question of their Upper Limits – if there are such – is endlessly fascinating. This morning, May sent me some Smart Metal to play with. Now, where did I put my soldering iron?

Best wishes, Bill


29th January 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Latest Bill Kenny P.W.B. Article

Hi Bill,

And I am sorry not to have responded before. Firstly, I have no disagreement with the issues regarding recorded and live sound. I am frankly dismayed at how many Hi Fi reviewers may never have heard a good orchestra at full tilt, or do so infrequently. However, recordings can provide an alternative that is not just an illusion of a live event, rather like cinema is a different creature to drama in a theatre.

The main aspect of your piece though relates to the disappointing experience with the new speakers and green cream. This is a familiar problem to me, and one that is documented in an old Newsletter, during a visit to the late Peter Turner's home, when one treatment was not perceived as positive. If I remember the issue correctly, it seems to be a matter of 'harmony'. Whether the fault is in ourselves, or in nature (I still don't completely go with the theory that the devices just impact on ourselves) but sometimes when disappointed, another, perhaps different application, leads to the full benefit. It is as if the last treatment unleashes what has gone before. This partially makes sense of why Tom's last Super-Wipe might be so effective. The last treatment seems to harmonise the benefits of earlier treatment. Such a step has included just applying a strip of Rainbow Foil, or Clipping some things, or perhaps dabbing some Electret Cream. The alternative is to sleep on it, and ascertain whether the poor result is there in the morning - a process that lends support to the theory that we ourselves take time to adjust.

I would add a couple of other thoughts. From using it in the Concert Hall and Opera House, I find Green Cream alone does not often lead to what I want, but on top of a strip of, say, Real Foil, it is amazing.

I am not so sure it is as universal as Electret Cream for these one off applications - perhaps it is more catalyst than product? Super-wiped over Foil, it is astonishing.

Secondly, for any Hi Fi reviewers that trawl this forum for ideas (as suggested recently in HiFi Choice) the dynamics of purchasing an expensive item are worthy of exploration. Firstly, according to some, having paid a large sum for expensive speakers, you should have been ecstatic whatever. I have to say my own response to buying anything new is one of doubt and panic - have I wasted my money? It takes me some time to adjust to the new stranger, and accept it's strengths and difficulties. I wonder if burn-in time could be related to this phenomena? Whatever the reality of a product's capability, I do not have a static response, whatever the other environmental aspects, including the application of devices.

You do usefully indicate again, as Kevin has done recently, just how important non-equipment treatments are, and that if you are buying anything new, the more your home is treated, the more chance it will have of being appreciated for its true abilities. I still struggle to find a metaphor for this complex experience, but settle for imagining as pure white as possible a canvas for a painter. Against a pure white background, the rich and vivid colours can be perceived in all their glory. Our work is to capture the imagination of the artist, which can be appreciated to the fullest degree.

Richard

ps Don't give up on treating the speakers.

pps Belated New Year's Greetings to all!


29th January 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Smart Metal

It may be obvious, but don't forget the light bulbs. Those magnets are great, but I think should follow treating wires and bulbs.

Richard


31st January 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Latest Bill Kenny Article

Bill,

The P.W.B. Electret Charge device is a Belt product I never used so cannot help you out on its use. Ambience and presence are my two favourite words to describe P.W.B. sound lifts over the years regardless of the musical category I listen to whilst, in hindsight, dense and leaden sound was what I was trying to overcome. When it comes to Belt devices, I am afraid the meticulous approach gets pushed aside in many cases so that I find that I might have two or three different lines of Belt treatments running at the same time. I am sure this method is frowned upon by May and Peter – especially as they go to so much trouble to explain how to reverse the treatment in most situations so that evaluations can be made. I do try however, to leave everything well alone for a few months after an extended Belt treatment session so that I can settle in to the new soundscape. With Belt devices, I am probably best described as the `splash it all over' type, as `our enry' used to say! Taking this approach, there have been times when a run of Belt activity (Cream and Super -Wipe for instance) produces little or no reward for numerous objects treated only to find that one further application strikes gold. A similar phenomena has been described by Brian Hannen in the past and Richard put it spot on in his latest post when he says that sometimes, when a poor result occurs, a further different application seems to `free up' the previous treatments. I now find that the all important acoustic envelope that describes a recording venue is apparent to a much greater degree. A side effect of this has been that the volume can be reduced on some recordings and, in the case of the TV, the volume has been set down a notch or two for a few years now as the `incidental' background sounds on most programmes has taken on a clarity and `out of the box' ambience that makes it much easier to hear comfortably at a lower level.

It seems that every member of the forum could tell a slightly different tale when it comes to describing their experiences of any P.W.B. treatment but, in my case, the vast majority of the changes are seen as positive – especially so as it matches the picture in my head of what I think the sound should be like in the first place.

Incidentally, the term `picture in my head' is also valid for my attempts at producing a half decent watercolour. If I could get on paper the picture in my mind when looking at a lovely landscape scene, I would have been a millionaire years ago! Still, I am very content that P.W.B. has helped me to realise the sound in my head every time I play a CD.

A further word on treatment of the environment that chimes with what you had to say: When we moved to the present house from our first home about eight years ago, it was more difficult to get a good sound through treating the structural components than the previous one - this in spite of newer Belt devices I had to play with. I mentioned some of those treatments in previous postings, but there are more electrics, glass and rolled steel joists (supporting several upper floor walls) to deal with than our previous home, and a lot of structural changes had been made using other modern materials too.

During one redecorating session, and inspired by a May Belt posting about the treatment of steel objects, I managed to treat three of the four large steel supports that I am aware of with a variety of Foils, Magnadiscs, Creams and Clipping to gain a marked improvement in sound from this activity alone.

Regards, Kevin.


31st January 2008 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Re: Latest Bill Kenny Article

Hello,

I'm fairly new to P.W.B products. I've found that the P.W.B Cream Electret has been especially successful in improving the sound of my hi-fi. However, recently, for no apparent reason, the sound quality has got a lot worse from my hi-fi. Harder edged, less relaxing to listen to and so forth. The transparency of the sound has gone. But nothing in my listening room has changed and no commercial cleaning products have been used over P.W.B treatments.

I'm therefore at a loss to explain what has happened except using conventional theory related to RFI EMI pollution.

Any views or suggestions would be welcome.

Gerry


31st January 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: changes.

Gerry,

I understand that you say nothing has changed in your listening room and nothing (chemicals etc.) has been applied over any P.W.B devices but has anything recently been changed anywhere else in the house or has anything else been recently introduced anywhere else in the house ?

Regards, May


1st February 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re Changes

Gerry,

I want to turn my previous question around. Was any object which had been P.W.B treated removed from your listening room recently ?

For example :-

Was the P.W.B 'treated' Christmas Card in your listening room over the Christmas period. After Christmas what did you do with it ?

Just looking at all possibilities.

Kind Regards, May


1st February 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Hats off to Larry

No, that should be 'Hats off to Bill Kenny', for another well-written (and brave, for showing his head above the parapet) article. There are others who write on matters Belt, of course, including Geoff Kait et al, who post on the slagfest that is the Audio Asylum Propeller Heads site, but I don't feel brave, or foolish, enough to join them. So, it's good that we have Bill. Also, let's not forget Dave and Carol Clarke, while we're at it.

By the way, someone mentioned Jimmy Hughes a while back, asking where he was. I knew that he contributed to Howard Popeck's 'Listen Carefully' web-site, but that was wound up a year or so ago. A recent glance at Hi-fi +, whilst in the newsagents recently, showed that he writes for them as a contributor.

Getting back to Bill's posting: I think that most of us, at some point in time, have experienced a sound lift which, initially, has resulted in an increase in perceived volume. Backing off a bit (to the 'normal' listening level) has shown the improvement in its true light.

There have been times when the effects of my Belting activities have not been fully apparent. Very often, I will wait until the next day to carry out a proper evaluation (although curiosity and impatience often leads to me having a quick listen). Is it a matter of the individual having to catch up? Is it the equipment and, or, the environment that has to do so, or is it a combination of them all? What I do know is that, thanks to the ideas and discussions on the forum, there are things that can be done to 'rescue' the situation if things go 'wrong'. A very few times in the past, following application of a new treatment, my wide, deep and information laden soundstage has collapsed and 'gone small'. A quick dab of Cream, or an SR foil, applied anywhere (and not necessarily on the actual equipment) has rescued the situation. There is also the Superwipe to factor into the equation. Here's a tale to illustrate this: Up until recently, both my pre-amp and CD player have been supported by Sorbothane feet with all of the equipment being sat on a wooden unit. After a bit of scouting around on the Net, I decided that the two may be better being sat on pointy feet. An order for Oak Cone Feet was sent off to Russ Andrews and, on their receipt, they were creamed, SR foiled, a piece of Inside Foil attached to the underside of one of the three feet, and then they were Clipped and frozen. On de-frosting, they were placed under the units and the Sorbothane placed under my Virgin V+ box, which had been buzzing like a big box of busy buzzy bees in overbuzz mode. (The V+ box is now very much quieter, thank you very much.)

The blurb in Russ Andrews web-site said that use of the feet would result in a wider and deeper soundstage. Now, I have already got that, thanks to PWB, but I reasoned that the Sorbothane, which is supposed to convert vibration to heat, may have had a smearing effect on transients. The idea of the pointy feet is that they quickly 'earth away' the energy, leading to less smearing. The proof of the pudding was that there was a deal more information in the soundstage with slightly better pacing, but the tonality of the music was such that the bottom end had been lifted up towards the middle. In short, my lovely deep bass had gone. Drat!!

Following my own advice, I switched the system off and went back to it the next day. It still sounded the same, so it was time for some remedial action. A dab of Cream Electret and Quantum Cream on the hi-fi units, a quick squirt of Morphic Liquid on any of the glass/plastic panels and then a Superwipe of those areas, plus a wipe of all the speaker cabinets. Then it was time for another listen. Hey Presto, back it all came with the extra detail, plus lots of deep, tight, trouser-flappingly good bass. I have every confidence that, had I treated any other area in the environment, I would have achieved the same results but, for some reason, I did the equipment.

To paraphrase CJ, from 'Reggie Perrin': 'I didn't get where I am today without realising the benefits of Belting'. Kevin has gone on record saying that you feel that you have reached a sort of plateau and can't imagine that things can get any better. That's all very well, until a certain bloke from Leeds comes out with the results of his latest experiments. I continually marvel at the scope of his work. Long may it continue.

If I look at what I have done already and what is still to be done (ie treating the insides of all of my equipment, treating items in my garage and the contents of cupboards and drawers in the house, plus using other Belt products) I know that I still have a long way to go. Don't get me wrong, if I had to stop today I would be more than happy with where I've got to so far but , it's only human nature….

So, I'd advise Bill to persevere with his speakers and the environment. If he has not already done so, treating small magnets with Smart Metal is very effective. I also had good results from Creaming, Clipping and Smart Metalling large safety-pins for use in tying back the corners of curtains and for attaching to cushions. Please note that, some time ago, Richard posted on the treatments to be done to a soldering-iron to improve its performance.

Regards to all, Brian


31st January 2008 From Bill Hunt.

Subject: RE: Changes

Hello Gerry,

The symptoms you describe certainly do sound as though additional EMI/RFI may be primary causes... Peter and May may have rather different perspectives, but I see EMI and RFI as simply additional adverse influences in the listening environment which will justify removal/reduction in any event, irrespective of what P.W.B treatments may also be applied...

Have happy times, and good music!... Bill.


1st February 2008 From Andreas Makridis.

Subject: RE: RE: Changes

Hello Gerry

It is most unfortunate, but what you describe, I have found to be a common phenomenon in my own adventures in "belting".

Treating a product, does not improve all the listening parameters proportionally – and I have experienced many times, that the use of Cream Electret and other P.W.B's products, may amplify, every little inoffensive coloration, every deviation from linearity in the hi-fi chain.

The only thing you can do, is to wait some days for the sound to improve (as it seems, the initial rise in energy rebalances a bit after a while – for the better or the worst), to carry on further to more treatment with the hope that more "belting" will ameliorate the situation, or start counteracting the cream's effect on the objects (starting from the last one treated) using some cleaner.

Andreas


1st February 2008 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: changes.

Hello May,

Only extra item in the house was a dvd, but that's had the Peter Belt treatment too. By the way the green magnadisc came and I put it on the front of the mirror in the bedroom. But the sound from the hi-fi is still fatiguing, hard to listen to.

I've resorted to the traditional tactic of cleaning the house main earth connection and the sound is slightly better but not as good as before. The sound had great depth before. I wonder what's gone wrong.

Gerry

1st February 2008 From Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: Re Changes

Hello May,

I honestly can't think of anything. The sound was good last Friday and poor on Saturday. Nothing at all has changed in the listening room. I've no idea why the change in sound quality has come about.

Gerry

1st February 2008 Gerry Rorke.

Subject: Re: RE: Changes

Hello Bill,

Many thanks for your views.

It did cross my mind. We've got a radio ham living across the road from us. There's a huge aerial at the back of his house. We're also living in the middle of a triangle of 3 mobile phone masts which are all nearby. I'm sure we're in a high EMI area and I think that may affect both the person and the components.

I've just ordered Ben Duncan super radex earth cable and a separate consumer unit, mains cabling and earth stake for my hi-fi.

I think there are two specific areas related to hi-fi sound quality. How we are affected, and that's where Peter's products are so helpful, and how the electrical components are affected.

Sometimes I find it difficult to work out whether I'm being affected or the electrical components are being affected.

Gerry

1st February 2008 From Geoff Kait.

Subject: Re: RE: Changes

I get complaints similar sometimes from customers -- "What happened to my sound!? -- Did the Teleportation Tweak go away?" Without resorting to keeping a log book of every single move you make, one can only guess why the sound can go from good to bad, or vice versa. In my experience, weather systems can affect the sound ... low pressure fronts (negatively) affect the local power grid. Time of day/night seems to also be a factor. Perhaps less "noise" late in the evening or early in the morning. Day of week - are weekends best?

In the P.W.B sense, bringing newspapers, books, CDs, magazines or anything with barcodes (groceries, letters, household items) into the house is not prudent if one wishes to maintain the level of sound one has gotten accustomed to.

Temporarily removing all telephone books from the house is a simple way to demonstrate the power of words and numbers and their effect on sound quality.

Geoff

1st February 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Room Pollution.

You are spot on Geoff.

I have told the following story before (in one of our Newsletters) but it is worth repeating it again as one example of inadvertent changes to the sound.

20 years ago there was a particular audio magazine editor who had been trying our devices with considerable success. However, at the next Hi Fi show, he met Peter and asked him "Do your devices lose their effectiveness or vary in their effectiveness ?" Peter answered "No, they don't but people vary constantly in what they do." Peter told the editor that the next time he was in London he would visit the editor and try to see what might be going on.

This we did. We met the editor at the nearest tube station, when he was returning home from work and accompanied him home. When he walked into his flat, he placed his bunch of keys on the nearest surface in the lounge, leaned the pile of vinyl records he had brought home to review against a table and then went into the open plan kitchen to make some tea.

Peter put the audio system on and listened to some music. Suddenly the editor said (from the kitchen) "Oh, that sounds better, Peter, what have you just done ?" Peter said "How often do you place your bunch of keys on the nearest surface in the lounge ?" The editor said "Oh I sometimes do that and sometimes leave them in my coat pocket which is hung in the hallway. " Peter said "All I did was remove your bunch of keys from the surface where you had left them."

Peter continued. The editor suddenly said "Oh, that sounds much better. What did you do then Peter ?" Peter said "I have just moved the pile of vinyl records from leaning up against the small table. How often do you bring records home to review ?" The editor answered "Occasionally - maybe every three weeks or so."

It was obviously the editor who was varying in what he did in his listening room and NOT our devices !!!! Which he was then beginning to realise.

To add to that story. One of our customers got in touch with me just after this last Christmas to order one or two things. He told me that he had excellent sound leading up to Christmas but that, at Christmas, their grandchildren had bought them some of those digital photo frames. "A very nice gesture." said our customer "But unfortunately they ruined my sound and my excellent sound did not come back until I had P.W.B'd them"

As Geoff points out. It is amazing what is changed, on a daily basis, without realising it and without realising just how it can change the sound.

This can also become a problem when people do something from a technical point of view. They can carry out a technical procedure, to give a technical improvement without realising that they may (yes) be moving forward two paces technically, but can actually move five paces back from a sound point of view - purely because of the materials they have introduced into the room !!! Or such as a battery powered this, or a battery powered that - newly introduced into the room.

Without wishing to prejudge anything - only Gerry will be able to answer what effect they have on his sound - but I am extremely apprehensive as to how the things (shown below) which Gerry has ordered and intends to fit will affect his sound !!!!! The conventional (RF/EMI) answer would always be "Surely from a technical point of view they can only improve the sound ?" But we at P.W.B have long ago realised that one cannot rely on 'conventional' answers.

>>> "I've just ordered Ben Duncan super radex earth cable and a separate consumer unit, mains cabling and earth stake for my hi-fi." <<<

Regards, May.

1st February 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Re: Re Changes

Gerry,

I try to keep a good eye out for what I call interlopers. With things like groceries (aka transients) they get a line through the barcode with a frozen and treated Red Pen of my own making ( a medium Staedtler, available at most stationers, will do) . I reserve the proper Red Pen for the stayers and they get as much attention as I can muster from my P.W.B toolkit. As I write I am aware that there is a new set of bathroom scales that want 'a good doing'.

I am also aware that there are still things that need to be treated within the house and garage and I am going through them as methodically as I can, when I can get the chance.

You may be suffering from the odd/even effect and an additional treatment of one thing may bring back your good sound.

Regards to all, Brian

2nd February 2008 From Andreas Makridis.

Subject: Re: Re: Room Pollution.

Dear May

In your account, the editor had problems with the sound (claiming that your devices lose their effectiveness) BEFORE leaning the pile of vinyl records against the little table.

He also said that he was leaving his bunch of keys, sometimes in his pocket and sometimes on the nearest surface in the lounge. He didn't claim that he left his keys on the surface for the first time.

The keys on the surface, were not a problem when that man was experiencing an improvement in the sound in the first place - the pile of vinyl records were not in the lounge when the editor started to have doubts about the effectiveness of the devices.

I have recently moved to a new house. For some months (due to bureaucracy) I didn't have a telephone apparatus at home. When it was finally introduced to the lounge, its presence changed the sound perception a bit - nothing really disastrous just different. The sound had lost some weight and the mid frequencies were a bit more obvious. I creamed the inside of the telephone: Suddenly there was a very big increase of perceived loudness, together with a fattening of the bass. After a while, the sound was more dynamic, but a bit slower and less transparent too. For sure, creaming did not bring the old sound back. It was not a removal, but an addition.

I believe that, if we exclude the possibility the devices to lose their effectiveness with time, the only thing that makes sense to claim, is that, either the energy brough up by the devices, gets "channelled" after a while to more patterns, so it is not so noticeable, or that the person that uses your devices, happens to be more conscious about problems concerning "room pollution", unnoticeable before. Where does that leading us though? That virtually everything could be disturbing: From the keys to the plastic clothe-peg, from the fork, to the glass of beer. That's called a nightmare!

There is a third option, too: That the "pollution" is not only in the room, but in the corridor, in the building, in the city. Has anyone ever tried to treat the box that accompanies the mains distributor of the district?

Andreas

2nd February 2008 From Bill Kenny.

Subject: Re: Hats off to Larry

Thanks Brian - and Kevin and Richard,

Yes, I am still persevering with my speakers, currently with Smart Metal and the Red X Pen / Gold Foil combination. I was greatly reassured though to hear from all of you that sometimes things can go askew - especially with Morphic Green Cream, Richard - because for a while I thought that my ears were playing tricks on me.

So I persist, changing only one variable at a time so that I can remember what I've done and reverse it if necessary. I'm finding that this is my preferred approach because that way I can evaluate what

happens fairly carefully and report it reasonably accurately. (Mind, you that's my own nature too and you don't get to edit things for a living without learning how to nit-pick first!)

One thing's for sure though, lead really can turn into gold (thanks again Richard) after using P.W.B products, so I'll keep picking nits and come back with a further update.

Best wishes all round, Bill

3rd February 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Room Pollution.

Dear Andreas,

I may have not made myself clear enough. With the story I was trying to make the point that the editor had just not realised how much HE varied in what he did in his listening room. That it was what HE sometimes did which caused the sound to be worse and not our devices 'varying' in their effectiveness.

That SOMETIMES he put his keys on a shelf in the listening room and that these would be the times when he heard the sound being worse !! That SOMETIMES when he brought home a pile of vinyl records to review and leaned them against the small table would be the times when he heard the sound being worse !! ALL the other times when his keys were left in his coat pocket or all the other times when he did not bring home a pile of vinyl records would be when his sound was good !!! It was not just ONE specific time when he placed his keys on the shelf and not just ONE specific time when he brought home a pile of vinyl records - it happened far more often than he had realised - hence his sound varying at different times.

In an earlier posting on our chat forum someone (I have unfortunately forgotten who and when) described how their sound was improving day by day as they were gradually removing all the unwanted vinyl records and all the unwanted CDs from their listening room and either giving them away or selling them or storing them in the garage !!

I think some of the other conclusions you have come to are correct, Andreas.

>>> "or that the person that uses your devices, happens to be more conscious about problems concerning "room pollution", unnoticeable before. Where does that leading us though? That virtually everything could be disturbing: From the keys to the plastic clothe-peg, from the fork, to

the glass of beer. That's called a nightmare!

There is a third option, too: That the "pollution" is not only in the room, but in the corridor, in the building, in the city. Has anyone ever tried to treat the box that accompanies the mains distributor of the district? " <<<

We ourselves have 'treated' the metal cover on the nearby street lights and Peter Turner once described going out, late one night, to 'treat' a nearby transformer box (in the dark, hoping no one would see him and have him arrested for behaving suspiciously!!).

Kind Regards, May

4th February 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Risk Reduction

I have been feeling rather bad after my comments about Morphic Green Cream, but have also followed the 'pollution' discussions with interest. With respect to the former, I realised that one side-effect of using P.W.B devices is that one always expects the highest standard. Tom made this point after using Memory Foil on a CD - once heard, there is no way you can appreciate a CD without it. It is for this reason I have a hierarchy of treating objects, starting with my photo, the points of entry (eg electricity meter, gas meter) then more permanent objects in the environment. In this way, a new device cleans more of that 'pollution', and even an untreated CD would sound better. Kevin has shown just how imaginative one needs to be in relation to this. I also realised that when I felt disappointed by the Green Cream in the live music context, my brain expected the foil/cream/wipe combination. The Cream was unchanged, I just expected more.

It is also clear to me that there is so much we can do little about. The idea of eliminating all 'pollution' is akin to trying to eliminate risk in life. The most we can hope for is a reduction, and something that could protect us a little from the severity of adverse effects. If I consider that over the past twenty years that I have regularly attended live opera and classical concerts, and the explosion of electrical devices that people carry with them - phones, PDAs, MP3s, car keys etc. - it is a miracle I can hear anything good at all. This is a huge problem, that we can only dent with our devices. Fortunately due to boundary effects, you can make your home a true haven, but much is lost when you step outside.

From a personal point of view, I wouldn't worry about keys until I had my photo treated as well as I could afford, and then work on the environment. I just wish there was more that could change a live music venue.

Richard

11th February 2008 From Richard Graham

Subject: Digital Life (Again).

After a long year of patiently ripping CDs with EAC, I am about to run out of hard drive space. Copying the files to a larger 750GB external hard drive is a worry. However, I have been pleased with the effect of copying files to an iPod with a treated USB cable. Those with long memories of early experiments with photos will know that a photocopy of a photo could be superior to the original photo, and so it seems possible that copying to a fully treated hard drive, with treated cable could enhance the music further.

Then I remembered May's advice to those wanting to burn files to recordable CDs - after burning on to a treated blank disc, freeze the disc again.

Could it be that freezing the hard drive after copying files onto it improves the stored files further?

I'll try and test this with CDRs at each stage, and let you know. It seems to me it is no different from treating an ordinary CD - the more treatments you apply, the better it gets, even though the data is the same. Generalising this to a hard drive now seems to me to be an important area for exploration.

Apologies for the confusing language, though as I have stated before, it really does feel like the equipment or discs become better, and that it is not just me changing.

Richard

11th February 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Cupboard Love

Shame on me....

After all of Kevin's detailed accounts of his projects, and everyone else's pioneering work, I have discovered the cupboards in our relatively recently upgraded kitchen and bathroom have no Inside Foil attached.

It may not be important, but where do people like to place this Foil in a cupboard - back of the door, under a shelf, back wall???

Remember - if I apply the Foil correctly, it may improve all our lives!

Richard

11th February 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Live Music Again

This may be more appropriate for Bill, but would be interested in everyone's view.

We trundled along to the South Bank on Saturday to hear Daniel Barenboim play Beethoven, and although I got to stand next to David Gilmour at the Bar (sadly no time to chat when getting the interval drinks in), I found the sound rather disappointing again.

Adding the number of people to the number of mobile phones was daunting, and no doubt added to the poor sound. I had taken only a few limited devices, but again was struck by how hard it is to get good sound live.

The following day, I played a fairly 'untreated' CD of some of the same sonatas, played by Claudio Arrau. The sound at home was much richer, and more musical.

We may be sensitive to changes, but I think I am so spoilt by good sound that I don't appreciate until I hear something live.

If only Mr Gilmour could understand what could be done.

Richard

14th February 2008 From Bill Kenny.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

Hi Richard,

Sorry for the delay - had a busy week - but your comments about live music seem to me to be spot on. I hadn't thought about this much until recently but on reflection I can see that the problems you mention are almost bound to be actually worsening as the number of phones and other gadgetry that people cart about with them increases.

Added to that of course, is the vastly increased amounts of other electronic doodads that concert halls (and especially opera houses) rely on these days, television monitors, computer controlled scenery and lighting, surtitle boards, CCTV cameras and so on. I'm off to WNO this weekend and to Helsinki next week, so I'll make a point of arming myself with a bit of P.W.B magic and report back.

By the way, with a bit of help from May, I have discovered that my new speakers hadn't reached their upper limits after all, and have been enjoying peculiarly enriching home listening just lately. More about that later, but I'm certainly looking forward to my first experiments with 'Belting' in two different opera houses.

Best wishes, Bill

14th February 2008 From James Takamatsu.

Subject: re: Inside Foil

Hi All,

Richard posed a question regarding the application of Inside Foil. I have the same question, but regarding placement for an amplifier. I just purchased 47 Labs Shigaraki amp (another minimalist amp) to replace my Sonic Impact 5062 super-T. I was planning on placing the foil on the inside of the front panel of the main amp. Any other suggestions?

Best Regards,

James Takamatsu

15th February 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: re: Inside Foil

Yes, James, inside the front panel of the main amp is an ideal place for a strip of Inside Foil. Does the amp you mention have a printed circuit board and if so, is there a part of the printed circuit board without any copper track - enough space to take a strip of Inside Foil ? Particularly on the underside of the printed circuit board ?

Also a strip of Inside Foil under any lid. And on the underneath of the amp's housing.

Regards, May.

17th February 2008 From Bill Kenny.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

I just back from my first go at 'treating' an opera house. To make sure that there was some control in the experiment, I left the 'device' (some Morphic Green Cream) in the car during the first Act, collected it during the interval and after returning for Act II , applied a minuscule amount to the back of the seats immediately in front of those that my wife and I occupied.

Sound seemed OK (as usual) prior to this, but afterwards there were three startling improvements. While I could obviously hear clearly that the orchestra was in the pit during Act I, in Act II there was a distinct impression of how far below me the players actually were as well as a better sense of horizontal placement between them. Everything was more 'in focus' so to speak and the overall sound was 'brighter' and generally more distinct.

The singers' diction also improved no end. This was a work in a language I don't understand at all - which is often a relief I should add, as when I can understand the sung text, I get irritated when I can't hear the words clearly. So when a piece is sung in Hungarian (say) I just a hear the sung notes and a generalised Magyar sound and stop worrying about the words.

However. after the MGC, I distinctly heard some recognisable words - and most importantly had a much better idea of the singers' tuning as a result.

So as Richard reported with the Barenboim recital recently, a 'treatment' can improved things greatly with live music, but the truly startling thing was that the result was much more like the sound from my home audio system after the MGC.

This is a remarkable discovery for me - it clearly shows how good the 'artificial' home system is of course, but it also changes my ideas about the reference standard for judging it more than just a bit. Up 'til now, as people reading my articles will already know, my inner reference has always been (in part) what I could hear in a live performance. Not any more apparently - at least not entirely.

But there's even more. I had a distinct impression - confirmed by my wife - that the colours of the costumes on stage were actually brighter and more intense after the MGC and not only that, but I genuinely felt that the whole stage image was sharper and somehow more three dimensional as a consequence. Truly astonishing.

More from Finland next week, where I'll do this again and will also try something different in addition. I'm not sure that I quite believe what happened yesterday, so I really do need to check.

Best wishes to all, Bill

17th February 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

Dear All,

How many times have Peter and I heard/read that sentence ?

"I'm not sure that I quite believe what happened yesterday, so I really do need to check."

Yes, the Morphic Green Cream IS remarkable. Very many years of research have gone into it.

It is also interesting to read Bill's comments regarding the "colours of the costumes on stage were actually brighter and more intense after the MGC ".

Many of our customers have commented, over the years, how not only the quality of their Hi Fi has improved but so has their TV picture improved - again, better colours, better textures of materials (and people's skin textures) , better sheen on musical instruments, better sparkle of glass, better depth of picture and so on.

Regards, May

18th February 2008 From Andreas Makridis.

Subject: Re: Re: Live Music Again

Bill

Can you guess what the reaction of the people sitting in front of you would be, if they knew what you where doing behind their back? :)

Talking about concert houses, I have tried something a bit more drastic. I have a friend playing violin in the Athens State Orchestra, and I gave him a piece of Real Foil to test it on his instrument. I was really interested about the results, since my brother who is a drummer, recognized some astonishing results with just a piece o Real Foil under his cymbals.

The result? After two years of waiting, my friend still promises every week that he is going to do the test!

Andreas

18th February 2008 From Bill Kenny.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

Well, I was very careful Andreas. I made sure that nobody was in any of the nearby seats when I applied the MGC. It would be interesting to know what the people sitting in the 'creamed' seats heard though.

By the way, did you know that my bit of MusicWeb International publishes fairly regular concert and opera reviews from Athens? The most recent one is here: http://www.musicweb-

international.com/SandH/2008/Jan-Jun08/kalomiris2901.htm

Best wishes, Bill

18th February 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

I have just listened to a vinyl recording of Scott Joplin rags performed by Joshua Rifkin (Nonesuch H-71248) and it would be hard to imagine how a hi fi system could recreate the sound of a grand piano much better. A modest Goldring moving magnet cartridge lifts a sound from the grooves that has terrific weight, authority, realism and seemingly endless tonal colours. I cannot recall the last time I heard that kind of detail from a live performance. The only thing missing from the recording is the sense of occasion that is created by the shared experience of being in front of live performers.

For all its dynamic punch, cinema sound too fails to deliver the detail that you just know is waiting to be set free. Can you imagine a Belt treated cinema sound system, with all that power, operating in a Belted Environment? It would be positively heart stopping. If some entrepreneur were to give his cinema or performance venue a good once over with P.W.B. devices, I am convinced that the difference would be quite stunning. I went to the trouble of attaching an Inside Foil to the bottom of the printed circuit board of our TV recorder unit at the weekend after reading May Belt's reply to James regarding suitable places to attach those foils. After a dab of Morphic Green Cream and a Superwipe, I fitted the covers (also fitting a foil to the inside of the top) and was well impressed. It is not the first time I have got a result from the mention on this forum of a specific treatment to a specific area of equipment. However, from what I can recall, getting at the bottom of the circuit board of my amp and CD player might be beyond my abilities, but it has set off a few thoughts for Inside Foil in other areas such as beneath the electric and gas meters. The electric supply cable enters our house to the meter and distribution box through the floor of a small cloakroom in the corner of the main listening room and is probably one of the reasons this house was more difficult to treat than the last. Inside Foil is about the only foil I have not yet attached to those services.

By the way, just read that Goldfrapp has taken on some folk influences on the forthcoming release (25 Feb 2008). Now that sounds interesting!

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.

19th February 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Doctor, There's a sound in my head...

..and it is not ideal.

I had prepared a long and rambling piece around Bill's 'ideal sound', but I have scrapped it and will go this way instead.

I don't go to orchestral, or opera, performances. That is not to say that I don't like that sort of music, but my main tastes lie elsewhere. If I go to a live event it is usually to a local pub, small club or the local Guildhall to see a band, or solo artiste. Basically, ever since I was old enough to pretend to be 18 I have been going to gigs. I have also been to quite a few Festivals. Happily, my visits were all before rain and mud set in. Plus, Chris and I go, twice a year, to the King's Theatre, Southsea to see musical Am-Dram. She likes that sort of thing and I go to keep her company (I also think that it is important to support local theatre).

I do have classical music discs in my vinyl collection but, ever since I sold my Linn Sondek (no cries of 'sacrilege' from the back, please) to fund my AV kit, I have not been able to play them. There are vinyl discs there (from all genres) that I have replaced with CD versions but, as yet, very few have been classical in nature. One that I really must replace is Nielsen's Fifth. I was introduced to that by a friend of a friend. The bit that really gets me is where the side drum is given the instruction to 'improvise, as if at all costs, to stop the progress of the orchestra'. What then happens, and after a quite long period of mayhem, is that the orchestra sweeps in with a gorgeous melody, acting as a wonderful release of tension. Sublime!

Anyway, back to the plot. Bill has obviously had a wealth of experience of live acoustic music and I would bet that he would be able to pick out (blind) a recording venue from its recorded acoustic. More power to his elbow, I'd say. But, where does that leave the likes of me? When I listen to a classical piece, I do not have experience of an orchestra in full, or ready for take-off, flight. I don't have experience of the venue and how the orchestra interacts with it. (I hear cries from the back 'Go out and get some'. Fair comment.). In effect, I don't have the yardstick that Bill has and can't easily establish an ideal sound.

Bearing in mind that Rock and Pop recordings are pure construct, I can't do it with them either! I have no direct access to the sound of the studio or the thoughts of the band/artiste/ producer. I can only take what I have been given.

Live recordings? Very often they are taken directly from the mixing board, with a bit of audience ambience mixed in. Also, and I'm thinking Thin Lizzy 'Live and Dangerous' here, there can be different tracks recorded from different venues and on different nights.

Is it a case of 'all is lost', then? I would argue that, for me, with the help of better equipment purchased over the years and, most importantly, P.W.B treatments, my appreciation of live, and other recorded music, has greatly improved. I'll give a few examples :

The Transatlantic Sessions : Two CDs recorded live in a Scottish Country House, with varying groups of largely acoustic musicians playing Folk, Country and Bluegrass. With each treatment I have been able to see into the soundstage such that each singer, the instruments played and the sense that it is all being played in a room comes across. Instruments are defined in space and the soundstage has widened, but not to the extent that there is the dreaded 'hole in the middle'. There has been a gradual increase in musical detail, things that hadn't been heard before now come into focus and the room's ambience starts to play a part. Real players in a real room. I haven't been there, but I've got a good idea of what it sounds like.

Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue/An American in Paris, one of my LPs that I have replaced. It is the one with Michael Tilson-Thomas conducting the New York Philharmonic with the piano part taken from a piano-roll played by the composer. For probably the first time, I had a real sense of an orchestra, delineated in space, playing in a room. The 'traffic' noises ('Hoot , Hoot Hoot.. Parp, Parp, Parp' ) in 'An American..' came over very succinctly. Great fun!

Louis Couperin: Harpsichord Works, Glen Wilson. My friend Kay, who is having piano lessons, professed a liking for the sound of the harpsichord, so I got her this disc as a small present. I have a Couperin LP that was one of those 'Supercut' discs. It is the one with 'Moulins a Vent' on it and is a lovely disc. I couldn't obtain that on CD, so bought the one above. As it did not come cellophane wrapped, I had a quick listen. Well, it was the wrong Couperin. I should have chosen F. and not L. Couperin. There's nary a recognisable tune on the disc, although, in fairness, the liner notes do point out as much and urge the listener to be patient and 'all will be revealed'. I didn't have the time to do that but, from my listen, I was able to establish that the instrument was recorded from a distance and was not the usual close-miked job. So, there was a nice harpsichord, playing from some distance, in a church acoustic. It had a real sense of presence. No tunes, but a good sonic picture. I suppose that, at last, I am getting some sense of orchestral/ spatial perspective. When Bill, or anyone else, talk about recordings having the feel of sitting in the front row/ ten rows back/ mid hall I'm better able to get the picture.

Last, but not least, a track from a CD issued with Uncut magazine, called 'Global-a Go-Go'. The track in question is Robert Plant and Justin Adams' live recording, at Le Festival au Desert, of ' If I ever get lucky..'. As my system/ environment has got better there is more of a sense of musicians being on a stage in the open air, noises from the crowd being evident and Plant moving on and off mic. The guitars have more attack and are playing several feet outside the speaker edges. The African percussion is deeper and more sonorous. Once again, a sense of being there, wherever 'there' is.

To sum up : I don't think that having an ideal sound in my head is appropriate for me. I understand that it is for Bill. Fair enough. What I would call my audio journey (with the help of P.W.B) is an evolution in sound. ( That sounds spookily Sheldrakian) So far, the evolution has been in the right (for me) direction. Where is it going? Will it ever end? I don't know. I suppose that is half the fun of it.

Regards to all, Brian

20th February 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

The irony of all this is that some companies will still quote live sound as their reference!

I do wish we could get the concert halls and opera houses interested in this effect, as it truly enriches the experience.

My favourite is to take one or two strips of Real Foil for under my seat, with MGC applied, and super-wiped. It's a fiddle taking One Drop, but for those great nights - wow!

Richard

20th February 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Live Music Again

I have had a really great result from applying Inside Foil to a bathroom cabinet, and even more so to an area under the seal of the fridge and freezer doors.

On the Goldfrapp front, there are ways of sampling the new album ahead of next weeks release, and as someone who loved 'Ride a White Horse'etc on 'Supernature' and the hypnotic swirls of 'Black Cherry', the new album is quite a change. The opening track 'Clowns' is a masterpiece, but as different as I can imagine from the last album opener ('Ooh La La'). I can't wait to get my hands on the proper CD, to hear all of that glorious production in its full glory.

But best of all, they are coming to play in Bexhill on 21st June, at the De La Warr Pavilion, near where we have a flat. I couldn't wish for a more perfect place and time to see them.

Richard

23rd February 2008 From Richard Graham

Subject: Re: Digital Life (Again)

Quick update.

I haven't frozen the drive again yet, but guess what....

If I burn plain CD-Rs from files that are ripped onto the treated PC, and from files copied from these original files on the PC to a fully treated hard drive, via a treated USB cable, the superior CD-R is derived from....

...the copied files on the external hard drive. It's a small effect, but it's there.

This is really great news, as any upgrade of PC or Hard Drive will give you an audio and video upgrade too. I suspect endless copying back and forth would lead to a plateau-ing effect, but for now I just can sleep knowing I can only make things better!

More later. Richard,

23rd February 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re; Live Music Again

Most of my early live music experiences were in folk clubs and Brummie pubs called The Railway or The Eagle, or Reggae shebeens where the bass would rearrange your innards and the treble could fry bacon at two hundred yards - wonderful places they were too. Because Wendy is into Classical music more than me, of the more refined venues visited on a regular basis, Birmingham Town Hall easily stands out – especially on the many occasions we saw Birmingham's own choral group Ex Cathedra. We have a recording of them at this venue and it has a lovely airy atmosphere which gives a good idea of the size of the place. For sheer drama though, the best recording I have for conveying a sense of a huge expanse of space is a recording made in 1987 by the Canadian band Cowboy Junkies. The band consists of Margo Timmins on vocal with brothers Michael Timmins: Guitar Peter Timmins: Drums John Timmins: Guitar and backing vocal along with Alan Anton on Bass. The recording was made at the Church of the Holy Trinity in Toronto on a single microphone and it is no accident that the opening track is a solo vocal by Margo where her lovely voice is surrounded by a most remarkable acoustic aura. The moment the track starts, and before the vocal begins, the listening room opens up and the ceiling seems to disappear and you really hear the sound that `silence' makes. This is another of those records I listen to every six months or so for enjoyment and to get another prospective on the progress of Belt treatments. The album has always sounded impressive but on some occasions when I pull it out to listen, the sound lift in comparison to the previous play has been literally astounding. This always leads to a spate of listening to stuff that has not been off the shelves in years and is an endlessly rewarding experience.

I had better mention though, the band has recently re recorded the album at the same venue with a few big name performers. I have not heard this record so I don't know if it has the same live feel to it.

I am once again taken aback at what Inside Foil can do. Following Richard`s recent suggestions, I attached a strip to the fridge front face so that the foil is then covered by the door seal when the fridge is closed. I also attached one in a similar manner to the freezer. In a flash of inspiration, I attached one to the door frame leading to the cloakroom containing the electricity meter. I attached it to the frame recess so that when the door is closed, the foil is closely covered by the door. It reminds me of the time I attached Spiratube to the hot and cold water pipe supply to the bathroom hand basin and got a knockout result. I can only think that it is not just voids and enclosed spaces that we are sensitive to but the entry to those areas also have a detrimental effect. It brings all sorts of thoughts to mind regarding the placement of those foils - would it, for instance, be better to place an Inside Foil down low on the rear of a picture on the wall so that the foil is effectively as close as possible to both the wall and the rear of the picture? Perhaps a foil trapped between removable covers of equipment and furniture might be worth exploring. When it comes to Belt devices, I could benefit from having a bit of the now fashionable lateral thinking ability!

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.

27th February 2008 From cico buff.

Subject: Re: Digital Life (Again)

Yes, treating things can only make things better. As you know, treating your computer peripherals with P.W.B products can not only improve the sound of CD-R's you burn on that computer, but at the same time, can incrementally improve the sound of your clock radio in the next room, or the video quality of the computer monitor, etc.. To what degree one may notice the improvement in associated components generally depends on how effective the initial treatment is.

I may have posted this already, but I've done experiments quite some time ago with some aspects of a PC; treating the USB cable, the hard drive, the CD and DVD burner or reader, the monitor, etc.. You are as limited here as you are with an audio system. Which is to say, not much. So it may be a new vista for those who feel they've treated their audio systems and wish to try something new.

I remember how it surprised me that even without P.W.B devices, with the right software (InstantCopy in this case), I could make copies of a CD on to CD-R that even to others, sounded superior to the original.

Things got a LOT more interesting when I discovered that CD-R burns could improve by almost any degree, if you go about treating the components in the chain that produce the CD-R in the P.W.B way (or even objects not related to the PC). And this is easily testable by producing CD-R (or CD-RW) recordings both with and without the P.W.B devices. For example, copying an mp3 file from a treated computer to my treated mp3 player ensured that the mp3 song would sound better than if I had not gone to the trouble to treat these things first. So the next question I naturally asked myself is, what would happen if the copy was repeated? I did a series of copies, copying the same file to the mp3 player and back to the PC, as many as I could before I got tired (I think it was around 20-30 copies).

After comparing the final copy to the original one, it didn't sound like it was exponentially improved by as many copies (in -my- case, and in this one instance), but after listening to the files blind, I concluded there was a definite change with the copies. I don't know if I did enough tests to say it "plateaued", or if there would continue to be subtle changes with each re-transfer of the mp3 file. While I don't remember all the details of the experiments right now, I recall that each copy imprinted a certain characteristic to the sound, and this characteristic tended to increase with the copies. Again, the more effective the initial treatments on the originating and receiving device, the more likely I think one would notice the accumulative effects of re-transferring the same mp3 (without changing either device in the interim).

This is nothing new to Peter Belt, of course. He showed that if he treats an innocent marker (the "Red X Pen"), the ink from the pen can then be transferred on to paper or foils, and will affect the paper itself, making humans respond better to the treated paper (ie. By improving one's hearing acuity), than a similar one that was written on with an untreated pen. So if a transfer effect - doesn't- happen with computers and CD/DVD burners or mp3 players, that would probably be an odd thing, in this world! One experiment I think I will like to try in the future, is to take a friend's favourite audiophile CD, and make a copy of it, after treating both the CD and the computer components with P.W.B stuff. To see if I can produce a copied CD that is clearly superior in sound to the original commercial CD, enough that the friend picks the CD copy as being the original, in a blind test!

That would be fun....

Cico buff.

2th March 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: P.W.B. - Positive Feedback Online Article

Dear All,

An article has just been published in Positive Feedback Online under the heading "An Alternative Look at Sound and the Perception of Sound" by May Belt.

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue36/belt.htm

The basic theme underlying the article being 'it might be the human being who is doing the changing' - which, in turn, changes how we perceive the sound !!!

Which is something that users of P.W.B. Techniques are already aware of.

Comments are always welcome via the P.W.B. Yahoo group on this article.

Kind Regards, May

18th March 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: P.W.B. - Positive Feedback Online Article

An exciting development May!

As posters will know, I have been slightly uncertain as to the nature of the P.W.B effect, given that the devices interact with each other, and enhance each other. However, on going experiments with live music, and a curious improvement in my TV (from treating CDs) has led me to think that it really is me who changes.

Your piece is quite a rich one, typically for you, and perhaps different people using this forum might feel able to post comments here, or elsewhere, to support your view that we really cannot just think about equipment if we want a good sound. And as you have indicated, you only need to attend a Hi Fi Show to reveal that the environment makes more of a difference than the equipment itself!

Richard

18th March 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Super-Wipe Update

I will post in the next day or so on more experiments with live music, including tests with the Vienna Philharmonic at the Barbican, Goldfrapp at Union Chapel, and Gary Numan at O2 (yes, my tastes are that eclectic!). The upshot is that the tests have helped take the Super-Wipe up a notch. Rather than use Rainbow Foil in the corner, my preferred choice is Present Foil on the tissue.

It is more costly, but well worth the upgrade.

As usual with wiping creams and then One Drop, the results are just astounding.

Richard

18th March 2008 From Tom Marsden.

Subject: Live Concerts

I have been out of the UK for a little while and what with having problems changing to a new email server I am only now getting up to-date with earlier postings. This one is for the Regional Editor. Bill the next time you carry out P.W.B treatments at a Concert Hall can I suggest that you first of all observe the effect on sound quality of smearing P.W.B cream on your finger tips before treating seats and fixtures etc.. I have to say that I am very sceptical that a few P.W.B foils and creams can transform the acoustic of the Royal Albert Hall but I do know that applying the creams to finger tips can have a startling effect on one`s perception.

Best regards Tom.

18th March 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Live Concerts

I know this is really meant for Bill, but I cannot resist, even though Tom was suspicious of my experiences in a 90,000 capacity football stadium. However, I will try to describe one event more recently.

I was at the Barbican to hear Gergiev and the VPO for a Prokoviev/Tchaikovsky programme. The previous night I had tried applying two strips of Real Foil, with Green Cream smeared over the top and then super-wiped. Although I thought this had an effect, it didn't seem that impressive, and if anything the sound was a tad bright! The following evening I decided to test a different foil, and tried two strips of Present Foil. Now I was pleasantly surprised at the effect of these, but after having dipped my fingers in the Green Cream, when I spread a little onto each applied Foil I was amazed that the whole hall snapped into focus, and was more vivid, colourful, and frankly Hi-Def! I then proceeded to super-wipe the Foil, which led to a further improvement in visual clarity. This was before the orchestra had arrived, and when they did, my impression was that the sound was far superior to that on the previous night, having the rich sonorous strings that I associate with the VPO.

What I felt was telling was that it was the application of the Cream to the Foils that gave the biggest improvement. My fingers touching the Cream might have helped, but it was the application that made such a difference.

What is curious, as Tom suggests, is that the effect in such an environment often feels greater than at home, despite all of the problems with the environment.

Having rather fallen for applying Present Foil in this way, I then felt that I achieved very good results in the smaller settings of Union Chapel for Goldfrapp (hope they put it out on TV - I apply the Foils during 'No. 1', as before that I had been rather gripped by the event), and at the O2 for Mr Numan (which was recorded for DVD for those '70s electro fans amongst you). Size of venue does not seem to be the key factor.

It really does take us back to butterflies in Brazil.

What I would say, as Bill is discovering, is that if you like live music, and are going to something good, don't forget something to treat the venue. It really amazes.

Richard

19th March 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Positive feedback Online article.

>>> "An exciting development May!" <<<

Richard.

Yes, Richard, I would like it to be an exciting development.

I think that serious discussion has been sadly missing from the traditional (printed) Hi Fi magazines these past few decades and, although many Internet audio discussion sites have taken over from the traditional Hi Fi magazines, all that seems to happen on those various Internet sites is that anyone 'posting' and describing changes to their sound when trying some of the various 'tweaks' are 'shouted down' and told that they 'must be imagining it', or, alternatively, 'prove it, where are your measurements'.

That is why, in my (hopefully) continuing articles in Positive Feedback Online, I have focused specifically on some latest 'mentions' by various journalists. Where these journalists are beginning to ask themselves "What is going on. If the device I am trying is not affecting the audio signal going through the audio equipment, or affecting the acoustics of the room, then what IS it affecting ? COULD it be affecting ME ?"

Since Peter first introduced the concept of 'it is quite possibly us (human beings) who are being affected' to the audio world 25 years ago, the instances of any reporting on 'tweaks' where consideration has been given to any effect on the human being has been minuscule !!

Kind Regards, May

19th March 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Tom and Richard and Bill - regarding Concert Halls.

Will the following concept help ?

Starting at the human being.

Say we (human beings) are programmed by evolution to read/sense our environment every second of every minute of every hour of every day of our lives - checking for danger/intruders/ predators - so that we can 'sign off' our environment as 'safe'. Supposing we cannot 'sign off' our environment as 'safe' because of all that is going on now in the modern environment - so we remain under tension. Supposing that we (human beings) are also programmed by evolution to search for signs of reassurance i.e "It's OK, you can relax, the danger has gone away."

The SIZE of the environment we find ourselves in at any one time may be entirely irrelevant - we are still programmed to do what we are programmed to do in all environments.

Supposing, (hypothetically) in our home environment, there are 100 things which we are adversely reacting to and which do not allow us to 'sign off' our environment as 'safe'. But, 'treat' a few of those things and superimpose the 'reassuring energy patterns' we are programmed to be searching for and you reduce the 100 (adverse) things to (say) 90 !! You are that percentage more relaxed - so you are now able to resolve more of the musical information available - even though there may still be the remaining 90 adverse things in the home environment. It is the difference which you are sensing which allows you to relax somewhat - not the amount !!

Now move to another environment - a concert hall. The SIZE may not be relevant - YOU are still programmed to read/sense that environment. Supposing (hypothetically) in this concert hall environment there are 1,000 adverse things which do not allow us to 'sign off' that environment as 'safe'. But, 'treat' a few of those things to give the 'reassuring energy patterns' we are programmed to be searching for and you reduce the 1,000 things to (say) 990 !! You will be that percentage more relaxed - so you are now able to resolve more of the musical information available - even though there are still the 990 adverse things remaining. Again, it is the difference you are sensing - not the amount !!

The only parallel I can think of as an example is the fact that our body is programmed by evolution to maintain a constant body temperature and it does so completely automatically whether we are aware of it doing so or not. It does not matter whether the environment is small (a living room) or large (a concert hall) if someone opens a window in your living room and lets in a blast of cold air your body will sense the change and react and if someone opens the roof of the Albert Hall and lets in a blast of cold air, your body will sense the change and react. The SIZE of the room is irrelevant to what your (human) reaction will be - it is the CHANGE in temperature which makes you respond.

If you look at it from the perspective of room acoustics, Tom, then. I agree, it DOES NOT make sense that applying a few (P.W.B.) things in a concert hall should have a similar effect to applying the same few things in your living room.

If you look at it from the perspective of size of environment and all that is wrong in a large environment, Tom, then I would agree, it DOES NOT make sense that applying a few (P.W.B.) things in a large environment should have a similar effect to applying the same few things in a small environment.

But, if you step back and look at it from a human being's REACTION, then it is the change, the difference, which the human being detects and not the SIZE !!

I think it is along the lines I said in my article in Positive Feedback. You have to look all around the situation - forwards, backwards, sideways and upside down !!

Our techniques are not altering the acoustics of a room - so that you can then (acoustically) hear more information which gives you an improvement in the sound - the additional information you can hear has been there - all the time - it is you who can now resolve it better !!

This then explains Richard's description of how he has a much better TV picture after 'treating' some CDs. The TV picture has been superb all the time - HE can just resolve the (already available) information of the TV picture better now he has 'treated' some CDs !!

The major theme of my (continuing) articles - what I am trying to emphasise throughout - is that there is a wealth of information - already in the room - having already been presented into the room by the audio equipment (and already in the Concert Hall) - which we (human beings) are not resolving correctly - until........ !!

Kind Regards, May

20th March 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Let's Freeze Again

In the new Russ Andrews brochure, which is sent out to past customers, one customer writes of how impressed he was by freezing his CDs, which is supported by Russ Andrews, though also recommending the customer spends £1.50 on having his CD cryogenically frozen...

The other point he makes is that the disc should be frozen for 72 hours, followed by 24 hours in the fridge. Is this really necessary?

My own method is to place discs in a treated bag, with a 'Bookmark', in a freezer set to -26 degrees Celsius, for 12-24 hours, followed by a slow thaw, with the bag wrapped in a thick duvet (and it really stays cold for a long time after removal from the freezer). Of course, in P.W.B circles we repeat this cycle, and hopefully the discs have had some treatment too.

I might try the Russ Andrews approach, and perhaps even send a couple of duplicate discs for cryogenic treatment to assess the impact of this.

In short, as I have discovered with other processes, such as the Super-Wipe, it is good to hear what others are doing in relation to a specific process, to make sure I am not missing a step.

After all, what are bank holidays in England for, when it is cold, wet and windy!

Easter Greetings! Richard

ps Of course my freezer is treated in a treated environment - no small aspect.

20th March 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Tom and Richard and Bill - regarding Concert Halls.

May,

This is a typically thoughtful consideration of the matter, and characteristically it requires a degree of imaginative speculation that may be daunting for some audiophiles, however....

In your model, scale of venue is still relevant, whether there are 90, 990, or 90,000 people in the venue. Whilst I appreciate the fear-reduction aspect, I remain astonished at how great the impact is of small strips of Foil, Cream and a wipe in a hall of a few thousand people. Further, at Wembley, the effect seemed to be at least of the same order.

If we take Tom's point about Cream and fingers seriously, is it possible that we become morphically linked to the products, and get the same boost whatever the scale of the setting? I often believe the products have a positive effect that feels different from a tension-reducing or harm-minimisation model.

Hopefully Bill can give us some more feedback soon to add to our growing body of evidence.

Richard

20th March 2008 From Michael Parin.

Subject: A couple of handy hints

Hello All, Although these are not P.W.B related, I thought they still may be of interest to some out there.

Recently, I had been doing some work on my modified RadioShack bookshelf speakers- gluing a wooden brace in the centre of the two sidewalls and lining the interior of the boxes with strips cut from an old lambswool seat cover! During re-assembly and in my usual rush to get the job finished, I managed to jam my thumb right into the middle of one of the fabric dome tweeters!!! Distraught and upset at my own stupidity, I then noticed the vacuum cleaner- taking the main wand and head attachment off, just leaving the vacuum hose and pistol shaped handle-I placed it over the damaged tweeter, turned it on for a second and presto! - one perfectly repaired tweeter! The 2nd hint relates to weight-the bookshelf speakers probably weigh about 5 kgs (11lbs) and in an effort to secure them to my makeshift stands of wood and concrete blocks, I placed 8 kgs (18lbs) of exercise weights on top of each speaker- the result is a reflection of my action - there is more weight and stability in the sound which becomes thinner when the weights are removed.

Michael...

24th March 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re Handy hints.

Hi Michael,

Dealing with bulged tweeter domes happens often when manufacturing speakers.

But, it is usually the human being who has to do the 'sucking out of the bulge' !!! Because, on factory floors there is not usually a vacuum cleaner to hand and in repair workshops there is not usually a vacuum cleaner to hand so it is usually an engineer who has to learn how to do it !!

Kind Regards, May

3rd April 2008 From Tom Marsden.

Subject: Live concerts

Richard, I accept what you say ( posting 18/3/2008 ) but my query is - does Mr and Mrs Smith, sitting 10 seats away from you, hear the changes that you hear? There-in lies my scepticism. In my book, your testing method is faulty considering the claims you are making. I would be happier if some other person in the concert hall, unknown to you, carried out the treatments and you had to judge when this had taken place. You have described revelatory changes to the acoustic of a concert venue after P.W.B treatments and therefore if the effects are real, i.e. there really has been a significant change, then, under test conditions, you should have no problem in identifying when the treatments took place. If the P.W.B treatments have really manipulated the acoustic of the hall then it should also be possible to record it but there is no evidence of this to-date. You will recall that some years ago the BBC did a direct broadcast from the Royal Opera House of the opera `Jenufa`. You gave advance notice that you would be attending and at what point in the performance you would be carrying out P.W.B treatments. I listened to the broadcast but could not detect any change in sound quality; I also recorded the broadcast on a high quality Sony VCR and played the tape several times with out success in hearing any changes to sound quality. I have no doubt P.W.B methods could be used to successfully modify a perceived hall acoustic but I believe it would have to be carried out on a massive scale. Occasionally I go to the Bridgewater Hall Manchester to listen to orchestral concerts and on my next visit I will attempt some P.W.B. treatments. Attending live concerts, I find, does have a downside. I arrive home after listening to a concert by the Halle or BBC Philharmonic; play a CD and immediately all my illusions are shattered that the sound in my home can bear any resemblance to the magnificent sound heard in the Bridgewater Hall. It usually takes a few days before I come round to appreciate that I really do possess an exceptionally fine audio system, which of course, benefits enormously from P.W.B treatments and from which I derive endless pleasure.

Best regards to all. Tom.

7th April 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Live concerts

Thanks Tom,

Very fair points. I am narcissistic enough to value my perceptions first when ascertaining the benefits of treating a hall, and cannot answer how others perceive any possible change. Similarly, I cannot know what the effect of another applying the device would be.

However, and this was a special instance, I can clearly remember the effect of switching on a P.W.B room device at the Albert Hall during a prom ('Elektra') and the change was noticed by those watching TV/listening to radio (see an early Newsletter for the account of this). Now Peter was clearly doing more than I do, with his box of delights, but I remain interested in how much one can change the situation.

Selfishly, I have been concerned that as I have improved my home system, I have become less impressed by the sound in the various venues. A few years back, I was getting quite depressed by the sound of orchestra and voices, which were thicker, and less tuneful than at home! Sure, the scale of the sound was better, but it was not necessarily musical. As I agree with you that the live experience is intrinsically superior, I wanted to make it as good as I could, with limited means - I didn't want to have to use much Foil or Cream, and any device from Peter would look like a bomb!

I will be interested in your trips to the Bridgewater Hall, and whether you feel it makes a difference. All I can say from my experience (and we need other accounts to compare this too) is that one can make a difference, and that at times this startles one, such that it can make a good orchestra truly great.

Richard

8th April 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: P.W.B. - Part Two - Positive Feedback Online Article

Dear All,

Part Two of my "An Alternative Look at Sound and the Perception of Sound" has just been published in Positive Feedback Online, see link below.

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue36/belt2.htm

Comments are always welcome via the P.W.B. Yahoo group on these and any other articles..

Kind Regards, May.

11th April 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: P.W.B. - Part Two - Positive Feedback Online Article

Mrs May,

Another fine piece, with excellent reference to other articles with interesting findings. I always enjoy how other observations can be understood in light of a theory. For example, when Linn started their 'single speaker' demos (quite rightly), they thought it was all about resonance (I think). However they realised that a digital watch could also have the same negative effect on sound. This, again, was attributed to resonance, though one can see how their theory is exploded by an electrical device having quite an impact. These observations from the early 1980s pre-dated Peter's writings, but are better understood by Peter's theories.

Anyway, I digress, and look forward to the next gripping instalment. And all praise to Positive Feedback for publishing such a searching and philosophical piece.

Richard

12th April 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Part Two - Positive Feedback Online Article

Richard,

Very many thanks for your encouraging 'posting'.

It IS a very difficult concept to get over to people that there is a wealth of information already 'handled' by the audio equipment, already presented into the room by the speakers, but which we (human beings) are not resolving correctly - particularly after decades of the audio industry and the audio magazines constantly putting forward the concept that there are only two ways to change 'sound'.

1) By having an effect on the audio signal going through the audio equipment.

2) By having an effect on the acoustic air pressure waves in the room. And, that if you want to hear more of the information on your discs (vinyl or CD) then what you need is the new (more expensive?) turntable, arm and cartridge., the new (more expensive?) CD player., the new (more expensive?) amplifier., or the new (more expensive ?) speaker system.

Illustrating the rigid thinking of (No. 2) I have been following a particular discussion which has been going on over these past few weeks in the Stereophile Chat Forum. You can view it yourself by 'Googling' the word Stereophile (in the USA), and then clicking on the Forum section. Then click on the Tweaks'n'Tips section. The particular thread I am referring to is titled "Acoustic effects and size matters" - started in late February by someone calling themselves Bill B and which has now reached 14 pages!!!

To put you in the picture. Very briefly Bill B started this discussion with the comment :-

>>> "There are acoustic treatment tweaks out there that include SMALL LITTLE things. I recall those coin-sized discs that allegedly changed acoustics if rotated on their own axis. And you know those things that look like a large fork, with wavy wood tines?

I know acoustic treatment is very valuable - but why would any reasonable person, with even a tiny bit of acoustics awareness, entertain the idea that itty bitty things inside a room would help? Or, IF there is something to it, can you explain?" <<<

There is someone called Ethan Winer who manufactures Room Acoustic Panels and claims to have measurements to prove the effectiveness of his acoustic panels. Throughout these 14 pages on the Stereophile Forum, whenever anyone else refers to another (small) device or 'tweak' to be used in a room, even though these (small) devices have been described by various reviewers as 'improving their sound' Ethan Winer dismisses them all. In his extremely blinkered approach, there is no other way to 'change sound' than by some ACOUSTIC method. So, if the device or 'tweak' is not having an acoustic effect, is too small to even consider it having an acoustic effect, then it cannot be doing anything !!!

I have given a few samples of Ethan's replies below :-

>>> "One style of Harmonic "Room Tuning Devices" is the size of a quarter, and the other is smaller than a dime. In both cases you get 18 of them. Even considering the larger size model, the total surface area combined is only a few square inches. My company's MiniTraps are 8 square feet and 3 inches thick, and most rooms need at least four of them to make a meaningful improvement. So how do you imagine these Harmonix doodads could possibly "eliminate boomy bass" as claimed on the site?

Products like these Harmonix dots defy all logic, common sense, and everything known about the physics of acoustics. So in the absence of hard test data showing a change, or even an explanation as to how they actually do what is claimed, I have to conclude these work entirely on placebo effect. What other explanation possibly makes sense?

I'm sure you won't be surprised to hear me say that I consider all of the products sold by both of these companies to be total bullshit with no foundation in science or anything else beyond wishful thinking. "

"In truth, I think the main reasons people think they hear a change are, in order, short-term auditory memory, placebo effect, and of course delusion.

Such as "acoustic tweaks" that are obviously too small to do anything given the laws of physics.

"So far I'm about the only person here actually discussing the science of audio, explaining what matters and why!" <<<

As I say, it is extremely difficult to 'deal with' such entrenched views which exist within the audio industry and, unfortunately, these entrenched views are quite widespread. It would appear that such as Ethan Winer find it extremely difficult to even just THINK outside of their comfort blanket, let alone actually TRY something different for themselves !!

Now, contrast Ethan's attitude and comments with two other people's comments on the same discussion thread :-

From KBK:-

>>> "I NEVER think ANYONE is mistaken if they say they hear 'something'.

I always investigate the situation and dig for the tiniest details, possibly ones spread across multiple stories.

Eyes, ears, and brain open.

I learn one hell of a lot more that way." <<<

And from Jan Vigne :-

>>> "Rather than closing your mind to everything you don't wish to acknowledge, don't understand or won't try I can't see how you couldn't help but learn something. That is why I encourage anyone to "Think, try, listen" when they are contemplating a component or tweak. I have explained I do not assume every tweak works, but even when they do not, if you have done the three step process, you might learn something useful. If you don't even think about what might happen or why it might happen, you won't learn anything and neither will anyone to whom you say, "It's too small."

In this thread we seem to be stuck in conventional thinking that won't step away from what is comfortable. We can only affect sound by absorbing sound. We won't even consider how the space itself might change to improve the sound.

Almost everything you know, you learned from someone else. You will stop learning when you stop considering new ideas." <<<

How thoroughly refreshing after Ethan's attitude !!!!!!!!

Kind Regards, May

13th 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Part Two Positive Feedback Online article.

It is interesting, Richard, that you have mentioned Ivor's campaign for 'single speaker' demonstration rooms because it was during Peter's investigation (some 25 years ago) of Ivor's observations that proved to be one of the early linchpin moments of discovery for Peter.

Yes, as you say Richard, Ivor Tiefenbrum (of Linn) had observed that PASSIVE speakers, when present in a demonstration room, adversely affected the sound from the actual speakers which were being demonstrated - hence his campaign for single speaker dem rooms.

Also, to demonstrate the point he was making, at a London Hi Fi Show, Ivor demonstrated how the presence of such as a telephone, in a demonstration room, could adversely affect the sound of his own Linn turntable, arm and cartridge, Naim amplifiers and Linn loudspeakers.

Ivor's explanation was that the CONES of the passive speakers were being moved by the air pressure waves generated by the speakers being played. That was also his explanation why a telephone, when present in a room where speakers were being demonstrated, could have an adverse effect on the sound.

Someone else reported later, in a Hi Fi magazine, that a digital ALARM watch also had an adverse effect on the sound when present in a room playing speakers. Again, they used the same explanation as Ivor - i.e that the tiny diaphragm in the alarm watch was being moved by the air pressure waves generated by the playing speakers.

As I have described in my talks, at that time, as we were manufacturers of loudspeakers, we had plenty of (passive) speaker drive units to hand to experiment with so Peter began to investigate Ivor's observations. Yes, Peter confirmed that passive speaker drive units, in the room, had an adverse effect on the sound from the speakers actually being played but when he then cut out the cone of the passive speaker, leaving only the speaker frame and magnet assembly, the adverse effect on the sound WAS STILL THERE - showing that the speaker CONE was not the culprit !!! And when he removed the steel fixing frame, leaving only the passive magnet, there was still the adverse effect on the sound showing that it was the MAGNET which was the problem !!!

When Peter then introduced the telephone into the room, it also had an adverse effect on the sound. But, on moving a tiny Boy Scout compass along the body of the telephone, the needle swung around 180 degrees - showing that there was a magnetic field around body of the telephone !!

Introducing a normal digital watch (we did not have an alarm watch) into the room also had an adverse effect on the sound as did a pocket calculator and then a pen torch !! Removing the battery from the pen torch, getting it working slightly with a resistor and placing it on an object in the room, Peter found that there was still the adverse effect on the sound. So, Ivor's observation had been correct but his explanation had not been correct - the speaker cone was not the problem, the speaker magnet was. The tiny transducer in the telephone was not the problem but the magnetic field surrounding the telephone was the problem. As were the batteries in the digital watch, the pocket calculator and the pen torch !! Although Ivor's explanation had not been correct, Peter did not have an explanation either for what he had discovered !!! It was not until later that another piece of the jigsaw of understanding was discovered - i.e when we discovered that certain chemicals, in the room, could also change the sound and that it was us (human beings) who were reacting to the presence, in the listening environment, of the magnets and the batteries and the chemicals and that it was our reaction which was changing the 'sound'. It was then that Peter and I realised that there had been a wealth of information, present in the room, already having been handled perfectly adequately by the audio system, which we (human beings) had not been resolving correctly....... until..... !!!

You are correct, Richard, that, many times, other people's observations can be better understood with new and different theories.

As I am trying to point out in my articles in Positive Feedback Online, people are still trying to bend, squeeze, stretch, push, pull conventional electronic and acoustic theories in order to find an explanation for what they are hearing. And, just recently, more than 25 years after Peter's discoveries and new concepts, a few people are now beginning to consider the possibility that it 'could be' the human being who is doing the reacting !!

Kind Regards, May

18th April 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Houston, we have an iTune!

Whilst not to everyone's taste, there is now available an iTune, which bears P.W.B influence.

As I have posted before, I was lucky enough to be at the recent Goldfrapp gig at Union Chapel in London, and applied two strips of Present Foil, Green Cream, and a Super-Wipe during the concert. I also had a few other P.W.B devices on me, plus my wife and I have full photo treatments. The venue was very small.

On iTunes, you can now download a live version of their new and rather melancholic single 'Happiness', recorded from the Union Chapel gig. You can tell it was an encore ('All together now!'). The track is part of an EP for the 'Happiness' single.

Though not very scientific, you might get some sense of the influence of the P.W.B items if you also download the sublime version of 'You Never Know' from the US version of 'Seventh Tree'. I'll say no more, but it does give some opportunity for anyone to test this interesting question of how far can the effects go.

My only regret is of not seeing them in Brixton 2 years ago, as 'enhanced' versions of 'You Never Know', 'White Horse' and 'Strict Machine' would have been just wonderful.

Richard

19th April 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Houston, we have an iTune !

Nice one Richard.

It WILL be very interesting if people can download and listen to the two tunes you have referred to.

We believe that there is far more information captured on a recording (from the environment in which the recording was made) than solely the conventional 'acoustic' information - so it will be very interesting to see if people hear any differences between the two recordings !!

Kind Regards, May

29th April 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re; Revisiting old friends (products).

Hello everyone.

During the past few months I have been surprised how some of our customers have been rediscovering the effectiveness of a few of our earliest products. Such as the Cream-Electret, Spiratube and Sol-Electret.

I am sure no one has 'posted' anything recently on our Chat Forum to remind them so it must have been a Rupert Sheldrake type morphic resonance but people have been realising that, over the years, they have been slowly adding things into their environment but forgetting to P.W.B 'treat' them !!

I was guilty of such myself just last week. I had to replace our toaster. It was only when I was about to dispose of the old toaster that I noticed the small piece of Spiratube on the old power cable and realised that I had not applied a small amount of Cream-Electret to the new toaster power cable or attached a small piece of Spiratube to it. You see, even the 'P.W.B experts' can forget !!!!

So, remember when you are taking any screws out to make some repairs, to apply some Sol-Electret to the screw threads before you replace the screws.

And, whenever you are making modifications, improvements or adding new shelves or cupboards to remember to apply some Sol-Electret to the screw threads before screwing them back in. They may be simple screws, but 'treating' them can make quite an improvement to your sound.

And, Cream-Electret and Spiratube are both so simple and quick to apply to so many things not only in the listening room but also in the kitchen, study, bathroom, hallway etc..

Happy Spring Cleaning !! May

2nd May 2008 From Robin.

Subject: Freezing Rechargeable batteries

New member, 1st post here. I've read about the freezing of batteries around the house. I've read it only needs to be done once, I've heard others say it needs to be done twice. I could use some clarification. I also use nothing but rechargeable batteries in my house. How does the freezing procedure follow those types of batteries? Do they need to be refrozen after each charge? Does the recharger need to be frozen and can you have the recharger located in or near the audio room? I couldn't believe it when I counted 37 batteries in my living room alone. It was an eye opener for me for sure.

I look forward to doing a lot of reading on this forum so to learn more about the P.W.B products, what they do, and how to use them.

Cheers, Robin

2nd May 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Freezing Rechargeable batteries

Welcome Robin,

I have frozen re-chargeable batteries of all varieties, including Lithium ones, without apparent problem, though I couldn't advise on whether their long-term charging ability is affected. I would guess not, as most products are designed to withstand a range of temperatures, and the domestic freezer is not usually outside of that range. I would also freeze the charger too, and much more besides.

As to where you should place the charger, I would think it is worth listening to a piece of music with the charger close and then distant to the listening room. I would guess it is better for it to be further way, but the difference may not be that significant.

For me the most fascinating issue relating to batteries is how much of a difference occurs when they are charged by solar panels. If I were Russ Andrews, I'd be moving to solar panels on the roof feeding batteries, for the mains supply, though cost may at present be prohibitive.

Richard

3rd May 2008 From Corodia.

Subject: Perceived improvements, who is transmitting ?

I'm an audio dealer, over thirty years of experience, every day , eight hours ,dealing with audio stuffs.

Two months ago, i remembered of Peter Belt during a conversation with a customer and i tried for the website.

After reading, i tried for some experiments like morphic messages (safe hole, new type of communication, ' x 26 'x ), lemniscates, etc.., and i was stunned for the differences perceived.

I tried in my demo room with different customers of different culture in audio, also non experienced people, and, surprise for me, everyone, near 100 % of my customers were able to detect improvements in sound quality.

At this point, i tried for an experiment, my name followed with > o.k. written with a red pen, tried at home by two experts customers, ten kilometers from my shop. All folded without possibility of reading the message.

Both perceived improvements , now my question is: who transmit the message? customers were sensitive to messages written in English, but they don't knew this language, so, it's possible that i'm the medium? I hear perfectly improvements in some areas, and my customers are hearing exactly what i hear without knowing the messages and the symbols.

There is a relation with the theories of Rupert Sheldrake, morphic fields, telepaty, etc.. ?

I wait for an explanation, is a very exciting story! Corodia.

4th May 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: The Great Bank Holiday Bonus - Parallel Lines

Must be brief.

Noticed some lines drawn on the back of some new Rainbow Foil that I ordered. Had seen similar on the Gold Foil for the Red pen messages, and thought it had enhanced the Foil.

But Rainbow Foil? Well so far I have tried it on just discs, and it seems quite a big improvement to me on the last Foil I had. The sound cleared up at both ends of the frequency range quite dramatically, but it also led to that feeling of looking through a window in time at the original performance. Like it was happening now, in my listening room.

I've recently had a chance to try a Bedini Clarifier, and hear what the Nespa disc treatment does (they do work), but this Foil is in a different league, and at a fraction of the cost.

Something is going on in Leeds.

Wow!!!!!! Richard

5th May From cico buff.

Subject Re: Perceived improvements, who is transmitting ?

Hi Corodia,

Yes, it is a very exciting story. And yours too, I find your experiments with others, that they heard the same things you did, very interesting. I too wondered once if the messages were less powerful if they were in another language than the one you know. I've come to understand that it has nothing to do with what language you speak. It has to do with exactly what you suspect; the theories of Rupert Sheldrake and morphic fields (a kind of 'telepathy'....). The meaning that the words themselves have, globally - that's what you're tapping into here. What country are you in?

Cico buff

11th May 2008 From Corodia.

Subject: Re: Perceived improvements, who is transmitting ?

Hi, Cico buff, i'm Italian.

Are you saying that i can write on a morphic message everything have a positive meaning for me?

If this is true, when i'm listening music with other people, am i the only one captating the message ?

So, If other people are conscious of differences , they aren't receiving directly the message, but they are receiving this from me ?

Is this a form of telepathy ?

Can you explain to me , i'm very interested.

Corodia.

p.s. excuse the form, is the first time i write in english.

12th May 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Perceived improvements, who is transmitting?

Dear All,

First off, a welcome to the new members of this forum. In a sort of answer to the questions asked by Corodia, it is no exaggeration for me to state that P.W.B. devices demonstrate the most extraordinary phenomena I have ever come across. Even after 20 years, I still find myself at a loss for words when I hear a sound lift from actions such as attaching a P.W.B. treated safety pin to the underside of a cushion. In the early days, on hearing those sound lifts for the first time, the first reaction is to ask yourself what possible link could there be between fixing a pin to a piece of soft furnishing and hearing the sound of your sound system suddenly take on a new clarity and rush of detail. It is no less extraordinary hearing those sound lifts today knowing that it is the listener that is being manipulated and not the hi fi. I work in the electro mechanical repair industry on the refurbishment of industrial servo feedback motors, so I am very familiar with the way voltage, current, resistance and all the other aspects of how electro magnetic energy transmission works.

Working in this environment makes you very wary of buying into anything that purports to improve sound which is not firmly based on energy flowing in wires or vibration transmitted through the air. So, on encountering Belt devices for the first time - even when the sound lifts were undeniable - I still held a notion that I was being somehow being taken for a ride. The recommendation to read Rupert Sheldrake's book Presence Of The Past did help make some sense of what is going on but it is still outside of what we regard as 'normal' science. From what I now understand, our senses are far more complex and finely tuned than we could ever imagine and Rupert Sheldrake is designing ever more ingenious ways of testing their limits. Furthermore, looking on his web site (www.sheldrake.org/homepage), many of those experiments show promising statistical evidence that 'something is going on' outside of our normal understanding of how we think our senses work - Telepathy is one of the topics discussed in detail. As I say, the book does give you a framework to make some sense of Belt devices but you just never get used to the surprise and sheer magic of the moment when you hear a new sound lift.

I mentioned a P.W.B. treated safety pin at the beginning of this posting and this last Saturday, I received a freebie sample of a new Brown Cream along with a CCU Ring Tie attached to a safety pin from P.W.B. Electronics. I already have a few of those attached to the bottom of cushions on the seats we listen to the music system so I applied the Brown Cream to those as per the instructions supplied.

Need I say more? Well, I'll say it anyhow! All the usual suspects emerged: Greater clarity, more apparent detail, easier to perceive detail at lower volume and even more ability to hear 'around' the individual voices and instruments. In short, you know you've been Belted!

Regards to all,

Kevin Kehoe.

13th May 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Perceived improvements

Hello Corodia and welcome to the P.W.B. Chat Forum.

Please do not apologise for your English, it is good - far better than my Italian (which, I am ashamed to say, is just a few words).

It is a difficult concept to explain but I will try.

Words and language are communication and communication has been around for millions of years, used in different forms by different creatures throughout evolution. And, you are correct in that it fits in with Rupert Sheldrake's concept of 'morphic resonance'.

The answer to your question is Yes, you can use your own positive words and in English or your own language - providing the words are in common use and have a good positive meaning (in whatever language they are used). For example such words as Good., Excellent., Superb., Friendly., Safe., Secure etc..

Those words, when present in your listening environment, particularly on items of audio equipment, allow you to be under less tension, and this 'less tension' can also be 'sensed' by other people who are in the same listening environment as you.

You can experiment writing messages by using a standard Red pen (permanent ink) and adhesive labels but for the very best results (and the best effect on the sound) our P.W.B. Red 'x' Pen with it's Gold Foil for writing messages on is by far the most effective.

Kind Regards, May.

15th May 2008 From cico buff.

Subject: Re: Perceived improvements, who is transmitting ?

Corodia,

Benvenuti. May put it very well, but since you asked me, I will try to explain the phenomenon in my own words and understanding. Yes, you can write a morphic message that has a positive meaning for you, and expect that it will probably have a positive influence on your sound.

The exact sound you get will always depend on what you write and how its written. (Example, if you write the messages with a genuine Red X Pen, expect a much better sound, because the treated marker affects the ink which affects whatever the message is written on to).

But it doesn't have to have a positive meaning for you, to have a positive influence on your sound as well. For example, let's say you don't speak a word of English, and the word "super" has no meaning for you. I believe it might still have a positive influence on your sound, because it means something positive for others. Think of words as symbols, and symbols of having meaning to us on a subconscious level, if that helps. What is important to note, is that this effect is not "psychological". That means, you don't have to see the word or know its there, for it to have its effect (positive or negative). This is why others can be in the room, and benefit from the message you wrote (whether or how they become aware of the benefit is another matter).

This sort of "telepathy" effect isn't transferred from one person to another (ie. you to other listeners), but its being transferred in the language itself.

If you want to see how this might work, you can always try a series of tests with someone you know who has good listening skills (and lots of patience and interest!). Without telling them what you are writing, write very positive words and very negative words, placing them in proper locations. Then see if they find that most of the time, sound gets better with the positive words, and worse with the negative. If this is the sort of pattern that occurs, then it will answer some of your questions for you.

Cico buff.

15th May 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Brown Tie

Dear all,

Firstly, may I extend a warm welcome to the new guys. Come on in, the water is warm and the fish are friendly.

Secondly, I also received a Brown Pin and accompanying Cream at the weekend. I applied the Cream to the Pin that I already have, which is attached under the cushion of my listening seat. The new Pin was used to replace the home-made one that was attached to the curtain in the front bay-window.

For one reason or another I didn't do any serious listening until the next day, by which time I had foiled and creamed a new set of bathroom scales and a new ornament. Well, you have to keep on top of things!

Anyway, I sat down and started to listen. With the Ry Cooder/ Ali Farka Toure track, 'Djelaby', there was greater space around the instruments, the guitars sounded 'glacial' and were spread further apart. The bass guitar part sounded really deep and had a sort of elastic band feel to it. So far, so good.

Next up was a track, 'Sibam', from the Orchestra Baobab ' Made in Dakar' disc. The horn riffs were good and raspy, much like you would get on a Burning Spear disc. You could also hear more clearly the hand drum notes being 'bent' by the drummer. The whole track had lots of space and oomph and fairly drove along, and that's from an untreated disc!

I have mentioned before that I have pinned up the corners on all of the curtains in the house, using Creamed, Smart Metalled, Clipped and frozen safety pins (just until I can replace them with the real deal, you understand). I got really good results doing that, so I trotted round the house Brown Creaming them, too. I'll report back on that one, as I ran out of listening time.

Regards to all, Brian

16th May 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: CCU and Brown Cream

Hello Brian and everyone.

Brian has described 'creaming' his own DIY safety pins originally with Cream-Electret (after freezing) and now, 're-creaming' them with the new Brown Cream supplied with the P.W.B. CCU Pin. The New Brown Cream should only be used on the CCU pin and (possibly after experimenting ??) on any home made Pins - but should not be applied to other things. The Brown Cream is not a universal Cream to be applied to anything, it has been made specifically for applying to the Brown Ring Tie assembly on any CCU Pin.

Kind Regards, May

17th May 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: CCU and Brown Cream

A very nice bonus May, but with a twist; where and how many CCUs are in the home? But then it's like a late Easter Egg hunt!

We must tell Gordon that the Brown Bounce is back!

Richard

ps With carpets, are people just looping through a few loops of pile?

17th May 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Contact Cleaners

It's a pretty reliable tweak to clean the oxide off of contacts, but with Sol-electret on my contacts, I seldom bother. However, with some decorating in progress, the devil dust is getting into everything.

Is it safe to try say Deoxit to clean plugs and contacts, and then reapply the P.W.B products?

Richard

17th May 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: And whilst we are on the subject....

of dust....

I am interested in the best way to dust! I know any silcone based substances are out, and we tend now to use washable, micro-fibre cloths. But should I treat them. Would a CCU on a duster become a device? It is dangerous to go round wiping things, so any tip would be appreciated.

Richard

17th May 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Perceived improvements

May,

The way I have come to think of this is that language, like ourselves is embedded in, and thus part of, nature. Words are like butterfly wings, and whether spoken or written, have an impact beyond that recorded, read or heard. A few years back when we tapped telephones with the Red X-Pen, the effect was greater if we said 'Good' at the same time. I presume the specific language is not terribly important, as all are part of nature.

However, certain results do seem to depend on the number of times something occurs. Phono sockets are very common, and the Digiplus deals with that issues. DIN plugs might be better because in addition to any electrical benefit, they are less common. But with language would a more common language eg Spanish be less or more effective than a dead language such as Esperanto?

And why is the sky blue?

And why is an oven hot and a fridge cold when both run off the same electricity?

It's a fascinating world! Richard

18th May 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: And whilst we are on the subject of dust.

Richard, anything which has a CCU device attached will be a device !!!

Kind Regards, May

18th May 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Perceived improvements.

Richard posted :-

>>> "However, certain results do seem to depend on the number of times something occurs. Phono sockets are very common, and the Digiplus deals with that issues. DIN plugs might be better because in addition to any electrical benefit, they are less common. But with language would a more common language eg Spanish be less or more effective than a dead language such as Esperanto? " <<<

My interpretation of words, language and Sheldrake's morphic resonance concept is that words and language are only the latest (modern) ways of communication. Communication has existed over millions of years of evolution but for those millions of years in forms which were not words or language.

For example :- Monkeys will shriek at the approach of danger and, if the tobacco plant is attacked by the tobacco leaf virus, it will 'signal' (communicate ??) a warning to other healthy tobacco plants. So, I see something like a 'morphic resonance' energy band D (D for danger "Watch out there's danger about") and all words or language which are associated with Danger 'tap into' that already existing morphic resonance energy band D. Similarly I see something like a 'morphic resonance' energy band R (R for reassurance "It's OK, you can relax, the danger has gone away") and all words or language which are associated with Reassurance 'tap into' that already existing morphic resonance energy band R. So, as an example, the letters O.K. 'tap into' the morphic resonance energy band R.

So, Richard, in my view, if the word in Spanish and the same word in Esperanto and the same word in English all have exactly the same meaning, then they will all 'tap into' the same ancient morphic resonance energy band. That is why I explain that someone in Italy (or wherever) can still write an English word (even though they might not know it's meaning) and still gain an identical effect, providing it is a word with a beneficial meaning (which will 'tap into' my hypothetical example of morphic resonance energy band R).

On the other hand, regarding your Esperanto language reference. If you have a general word such as "sound" which would not belong in a hypothetical morphic resonance band to do with 'safe' or 'reassurance', then if the word 'sound' has been used in the English language far more widespread than in the Esperanto language then yes, the word 'sound' written in English would have a stronger 'morphic resonance' than if it was written in Esperanto.

Kind Regards, May

18th May 2008 From cico buff.

Subject: Fun with the CCU Pin

I just received a brown CCU pin and the special brown goop that accompanies it (merci May!). Although I've long heard about it, this is my first experience with P.W.B's CCU Ring Tie pin. So having little experience treating upholstery, I didn't really know where it's best applied. But the note it comes with it gave a few starting points; which I decided would be the seat cushion of my desk chair (an IKEA "Lenda"). Naturally, during the tests I listened to music on the PC, through AKG headphones.

INITIAL TRIALS

I started with sticking the CCU Ring Tie pin into the left corner edge of the cushion. There was definitely a sound lift to be had (but then, something in the music seemed to have improved before I even applied the pin, just by bringing it into the room and sitting it on the desk). I tried further variations on the same location of the cushion, including leaving the pin inside the bag it came in, sticking the note that came with it on to the pin (still attached to the cushion), followed by sticking a little note written by my sweetie on to the pin. That last experiment was to see if the "love" it was written with would have a positive effect on the pin / vice versa. It seems the good old placebo theory I'm always hearing about should have been working overtime to make the sound improve on that last one. But no, it actually became worse! I guess the placebo / "imagination" theory only applies if I think the experiment improved my sound. Those variations were interesting, because each one did impart its own influence on the sound, from "different" to "very different". But none convinced me they were any better than the pin alone. So then it was off to experimenting with different locations (on the cushion) for the "pin alone".

FUN WITH CUSHIONS

One of the first things I tried was changing cushions. That is, listening to the music seated on a cushion with the CCU pin attached to the corner, then swapping it for one that did not have a pin, and listening while seated on the pinless cushion, with the pinned cushion on a chair next to me. Indeed, the sound was not as good, even though the pin was still in the room. It's a bit of a guess, but I got the feeling that its better to have the pin grab more stuffing, than just go lightly through the covering material. Nevertheless, I moved the pin from the corner edge to sticking it through the UPC symbol printed on the poly material tag, attached to the back of the cushion. This was deemed better than the corner. Better than the material tag, was pinning it through the centre of the underside of the cushion (making sure it goes through the stuffing well). I described this to myself as "decent" / "good", (as compared with some of the tests that followed).

I also got "decent" results with the pin under the cushion, on the front edge. Quite nice (and better than that), was when the pin was placed on the right corner under the cushion. (And I repeated this test one time, to confirm). Very promising results with the pin at the center of the back edge of the cushion, but beaten again by the pin at the underside back right corner. With the cushion bearing a pin at the underside of the corner, when it was reversed so that the pin was now on the top of the cushion, it seemed better when it was on the underside. So as far as cushions are considered, the best results I got with my limited experimenting, was pinning the CCU Ring Tie on the very end of one of the rear corners, on the underside of the cushion. And from those experiences I'd say if you're going to attach the pin to a cushion (or some other object that isn't temporary, like clothing would be), my recommendation is that once you find a really good location, don't be tempted to move it like I always am! Otherwise you'll frustrate yourself trying to get the exact same sound you liked back again....

FUN WITH T-SHIRTS

Next I tried sticking the pin on my T-shirt (around the centre, where is located a brand logo that says "America"). This was to me better than many of the previous locations on the cushion. Then I tried the very corner edge of the clothing label on the back neck of the t-shirt. It was different, but not better than the "America" logo. So I tried sticking the CCU pin into the very centre of the T-shirt label. Wow, that did it! It went beyond anything I was able to acheive on my cushion. It was the difference between analytically listening to Radiohead's "Knives Out" and being immersed in it, eyes closed. I repeated this test with Mark Knopfler's "Devil Baby" (back to America logo, back to centre of t-shirt label). No doubt in my mind, the label is incredibly musical! It's the kind of characteristic many audiophillies would and do pay thousands for toward conventional audio upgrades, and are not guaranteed to get. Interestingly, all the detail appears to be lost with the centre label location; the tonal balance is much darker. But you stop listening to detail, you're just sucked into the music. (And whenever I'm sucked into the music like this, I don't worry about gloss and detail, I know it's right!).

To my ears, the change is great enough that I think it could be detected by those uninitiated in and unfamiliar with the P.W.B devices. So here's a fun thing to try, if you have a CCU pin! Have your friend listen to your system without applying the pin. Then, while they're not looking, stick it through your shirt label (pretend you're scratching the back of your neck!), and have them listen again. If they can hear the difference it makes, they'll be at a loss to explain what you did!

FUN WITH ALARM CLOCKS

When I went to bed, I suddenly realized I still had the CCU pin attached to my t-shirt's clothing label. So I did some final tests to see what sort of ways it might affect my CD alarm clock radio. I tried pinning the CCU pin through a corner of my pillow, comparing that to the t-shirt label. As a test, I listened to one of the CD's I sometimes play throughout my sleep on a repeated loop; some Chinese bamboo flute music with nature sounds. Yes, there were changes to be heard just the same, and I found myself preferring the t-shirt label location but again, there appeared to be more detail and a wider, open sound with the pin attached to the corner of the cushion. It may have seemed more "exciting" initially, but the t-shirt label was simply "righter". So I decided I would sleep with the CCU pin attached to my t-shirt label, and see if it made a difference. Instead of music however, I chose to use a Schumann resonance CD, which I often use to sleep with (for the purpose of providing a deeper, more relaxing sleep). This test would be to see not if the CCU Ring Tie pin could improve the quality of my sound, but improve the quality of my sleep!

As for the sound itself, I could now detect a greater refinement off the sound of the Schumann resonance "noise" from previous listenings without the pin in the room, but nothing I could point to and say "this is what changed". During the initial phase of sleep, the connection to the "noise" was strong. After about 10 minutes on this CD, there is a bit of a jolting "alarm noise" that sounds, to indicate the track is shifting to the Theta phase, which immediately brings a more intense relaxation. Although I was listening for it, I never heard that, so presumably, I was already asleep before it sounded. For some reason, the looping never worked, because by the time I woke up, about 8 hrs later, the CD was no longer playing. Nevertheless, I got a very good night's sleep, featuring a really interesting, vivid dream (which I no longer remember....), and felt the sleep was somewhat deeper than I normally experience. But I would have to try this a few more night's before I could conclude the CCU pin was an influence here, because I went to sleep about an hour later tonight than last night. This means I'm shifting my body's clock, and generally, the later I sleep, the more tired I am, and the deeper my sleep. But then, in such cases I usually wake up woozier than I did this morning...

FUN OUTDOORS

Well I haven't yet taken the CCU pin out doors, so this is all speculation.... But I presume the clothing label location should make for a very interesting experience when I take this pin to a live concert! It seems that what makes this device unique, not simply as compared with other "audio" devices but other P.W.B devices, is the idea that it can improve things outside the home. Hypothetically, if the CCU Ring Tie pin attached to clothing label is improving the sound of an alarm clock within the home, and the sound of a live concert outside the home, then this means you can take it with you and expect all sounds you encounter, to improve in some manner. It is certainly discreet and transportable enough to do so. So theoretically, it may improve the sound you hear outside off of a cellphone, muzak in the mall, people speaking directly to you, or whatever other sounds we hear when we are outside our home. Seems if there was ever a P.W.B device to take to the office, this would be it! Could wearing it even affect the taste of food or drink in a restaurant, I wonder?!

I would expect "the working memory" to quickly adjust itself to the "new standard" offered by the pin, and thus perhaps, I'd have a hard time noticing the improvement in ordinary (non-musical) sounds, that I hear outside. (ie. I'm still currently wearing the pin as I type, and I can't say "Gee, I notice I now have super-human hearing!"). But there are a lot of things I could test with the pin whilst in the outside environment, and the way to do that, would be to remove it and see if I can detect a change in "the standard" (in voice/food/drink/muzak/whatever!...).

MULTIPLE CCU's

Again, this is purely hypothetical for me (since I only have the one), but it should be keenly interesting too. If one pin on a clothing label could offer a significant sound lift while at an outdoor concert, what if you wore multiple CCU pins on each label or article of clothing (ie. 5)? Or for indoors, one on a shirt label that you're wearing, and four others on the clothing labels in one's closet? For the audiophile-in-the-know, it would seem the CCU pin is the requisite fashion at an outdoor gig. So I'll definitely be taking mine with me for some more experiments, the next time I attend one. (Curious to see how it might affect the listening of those with me). After I schedule a test, I'm sure I will find the pin will probably also become "required wearing" when simply sitting down on the sofa to listen to my main system at home. n.b. All my pin tests were "bare", meaning I have also not yet tried the special brown cream that came with the device, that was designed specifically for the brown CCU Ring Tie pin. Very curious stuff!

Cico buff.

19th May 2008 From Cico buff.

Subject: Further Fun with the CCU Pin: The Blind Test

FUN WITH CREAM

Second day of experimenting with the CCU brown Ring Tie pin. This time I had tried smearing a bit of the brown cream it came with on to the small black disc fitted on to the brown ring tie at the end of the pin. It did indeed improve matters, and as described in the pamphlet, it does not appear to be a general cream that can improve anything, à la "Crème Electret". Because I was curious to see if it would worsen the sound (since this goes against what I'm already inclined to believe, that the P.W.B creams can only improve sound), I tried smearing the remaining bit on my digital camera battery compartment and LCD screen and retested. Sound got worse, and I had to remove it.

FUN WITH SBT's

In my first message on the CCU pin, I mentioned the pin would make a good "surprise test" on someone who was not familiar with it. A device you could activate from where you are standing, without them knowing about it. So I performed such a test on a friend, asking her to listen to 2 repititions of the same song, and tell me if there's a difference between them, or no change, and if so, which version is better. I did not say what I was testing, or why there should be a change. Meanwhile, I discreetly clipped and removed the CCU pin from the tag of my shorts behind me, between the 2 tracks. She got it right on the first try. Not simply correctly stating the version where I had the CCU pin attached to my clothing tag, but correctly describing the change as "more musical", which is exactly what my first impressions were, with the pin. Of course, this really just confirmed what I already believed; that you didn't have to be wearing the pin to hear the effects of someone else wearing the pin.

I suggested another test to see if the first one was a fluke, and to my surprise, she got it wrong! (Picked the version without the pin attached as being superior in quality). Then I tried it again, to see if the second was a mistake! She got it wrong again! But throughout these 3 tests, I could hear myself that the version with the pin in place was superior. And I said so, so we switched teams. This time, I would be the one tested and she would be the one who knew whether the pin was attached to the clothing tag or not. (FWIW, the sound system used in this test was a small auxiliary system, one of those all in one dirt cheap micro-component systems with the double cassette deck and CD carousel; a sort of mini-shrine to the material they call "plastic". I turned my chair around so that my back was to the audio system and I could not see what was being done. And no, I didn't cheat).

On the first test, I was quite confident... I don't recall exactly what I was identifying, but I recall I was quite sure which one was which. But I got it wrong! It was like having a bucket of ice water thrown into your face.... Perhaps if there's such a thing as "over-confident" in such tests, this would be it... Naturally I couldn't give up there, so I had to see if that was a mistake.... On the next test, I announced my verdict within 5 seconds of hearing the B sample (talk about over-confidence...), but let the music play for the usual length of time before handing in my judgement (about 30 seconds). I got it right. Then we had to do another test to see if that one was a fluke.... and so on. I asked for different songs to listen to, so the tracks were usually varied between trials. We ended up doing 7 complete tests in all. I correctly picked out when the CCU pin was in place on all 6 tests following the first one (so 6 out of 7 correct). I would have easily gone further, but I felt my friend was losing interest in this exercise, fidgeting and all, so we ended it at 7 tests (this is after all, 14 separate trials of about 30s each!). 6 out of 7 correct A-B trials may not please the statisticians and skeptics, but it served to convince me that I was not guessing. Even when some of the A-B pairs were closer than I would have expected, confusing matters a bit, I always went with whichever rendition pulled me into the music more. I knew that would be the CCU pin version, and it was. What happened on the first trial to make me miss my step, I don't know! But nevertheless, I think I'm ready to take on James Randi. Where's he at? Is there enough incredulity for the CCU Ring Tie to qualify for the million dollars?

FUN WITH SOUNDS

I've been wearing the CCU pin (and other pins) on my clothing, ever since I started playing around with it. I slept with the CCU on my shirt, and have been wearing it all day, on my shirt. In my last post on this subject, I theorized that if you took it with you outside, all sounds should improve, not just that of a live concert (and that if you had multiple CCU's on your person, you would be in essence "a walking P.W.B device"...). Including cell phones, elevator muzak, etc.. Well I haven't taken it outside yet to see what I could expect, but since I already had the pin on me, I thought to do a small test in the bathroom. I opened the water faucet on the bathroom sink and listened to the sound of the water hitting the basin, then closed the water and reopened it with the CCU Pin removed, listening again. Then repeating the test several times. I said yesterday that I can't say I now notice I have "super-human hearing" with the pin attached. But I can say that each time I removed and replaced the CCU pin from my clothing tag, I heard differences in the sound of the water hitting the basin. I would even characterize it as a large difference, by my ears. There was more detail, and what I would term as "texture" to the sound of the water when the CCU pin was attached. It sounded more like "water" flowing.

Believe it or not, this is the first time I've tested a Belt product on non-audio sound! Again, it confirmed something that I already believed, but only knew "intellectually". Which is, the P.W.B devices don't magically work on just audio sound. They work to improve the quality of all sound perceived. But hearing regular sound is such a natural, automatic process, you're not normally aware of the effect the devices might have on the (non-musical) sounds you normally hear. Plus, there's no emotional component there to judge the effects the sounds might be having on your emotional reaction to them. If you have a CCU pin or similar device, try a similar test to see if you can hear differences in just -regular every day sound-. I suppose even the seasoned Beltist might find it a bit of a revelation in itself...

Cico buff.

4th June 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: P.W.B. - Part Three - Positive Feedback Online Article

Dear All,

Part Three of my "An Alternative Look at Sound and the Perception of Sound" has just been published in Positive Feedback Online, see link below.

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue37/belt.htm

Comments are always welcome via the P.W.B. Yahoo group on these and any other articles..

Kind Regards, May

4th June 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Slim, slow, sliders.

Hi all,

Some time ago someone posted, saying that they had replaced their CD jewel cases with slim floppy plastic cases and had gotten rid of the jewel cases from their environment, thereby resulting in a sound lift.

I want to try this, basically for two reasons. The first is that I am running out of storage space and the second is to further my pursuit of good sound. To save me from trawling through the site, could the person who did the above let me (and you) know what treatments they carried out on the new cases?

Off the top of my head, I would think that Creaming, SR Foiling, freezing and Clipping may be the way, but there may be something else that I am missing. Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated.

Regards to all, Brian

9th June 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Slim slow, sliders.

>>> "To save me from trawling through the site, could the person who did the above let me (and you) know what treatments they carried out on the new cases?

Off the top of my head, I would think that Creaming, SR Foiling, freezing and Clipping may be the way, but there may be something else that I am missing. Any assistance would be gratefully appreciated.

I would think that Creaming, SR Foiling, freezing and Clipping may be the way, but there may be something else that I am missing." <<<

Brian, I can't remember who it was or how they described what they did but you have listed a good selection of treatments to apply to the slim plastic sliders. I would add to your list signing your name or even just your initials with the Red 'x' Pen.

Kind Regards, May

11th June 2008 From A. Martherus.

Subject: Re: Super-Wipe

As I can not find any description of the SuperWipe procedure at all, but remembering something about it, can we make one here? What is the correct procedure anyway? - you use a handkerchief or white paper tissue? Paper or cotton? - place a black dot in the middle, preferable with a Chunky Pen, but how large should the dot be? - you wipe from the left to the right, right? - the stuff you wipe is nothing, or Cream Electret, or Sol-electret, or the special One Drop Liquid, or? - you can foil (and cream) the tissue with all kinds of foils - do you freeze the tissue? write anything on it, or should it stay white…

Questions, questions…

Thanks in advance, A. Martherus.

11th June 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: The Super-Wipe

This what I do, but others, please add.

1. Take white tissue (or soft kitchen roll), fold into 4, so you can place a dot of black ink at its centre. The P.W.B Chunky Black Pen is the best way of doing this, but any black pen will have a good effect.

2. In one corner, add a strip of Foil - Rainbow works well, but I find Present Foil is terrific. Apply any Cream you have to the Foil e.g Electret, or ideally, Morphic Green Cream.

3. If you have one, Clip the black dot at the centre of the tissue.

The essential step is step one, and what follows enhances this.

This tissue is now available for the 'superwipe', and wiping it over any cream or liquid dramatically enhances its effect.

I don't freeze the tissue, simply because I worry the precious foil will fall off.

As I say, additions to this please. Richard

11th June 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Re: The Super-Wipe

I do the same as Richard. What I do find is, that if you are wiping off Morphic Liquid, the tissue gets soggy and eventually starts to disintegrate. Perhaps the bulk of the liquid can be removed with another, less treated, tissue and then buffed with the Superwipe.

I can't remember seeing that the action should be from left to right, though. As ever, I stand to be corrected.

Regards to all, Brian

13th June 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Super Wipe and Morphic Green Cream

Dear All,

Some time back, Richard Graham mentioned that he thought current Silver Rainbow Foil was even more effective than the earlier editions. Well, it seems to me that Morphic Green Cream is similarly blessed. I purchased a Jar a few days ago and applied a dot to the Rainbow Foil and Present Foil on a Super Wipe made up as described by Richard. After making a few applications to various Foils attached to the TV and hi-fi components - which had been treated with Green Cream in the past - there can be no mistaking the increased colour saturation and sharper contrast from the TV and even more detailed, clean, more dynamic and extra focused hi-fi sound. What's more, a tiny application to the Rainbow Foil attached to a CD label, followed by a Super Wipe, has worked wonders on a number of discs I have not had the chance to treat in this way previously. All my discs have had Belt treatment of some sort and most have had the Purple Pen, Black Pen, Red `X' Pen, Cream Electret and Rainbow Foil applications followed by the Clip and Morphic Liquid / Super Wipe. I now intend to treat, over a period of time, all untreated discs – in fact I might now put a dab on every disc as I come to play them until I get them all done. I will also take the opportunity to treat any copper water and gas pipes exposed when carrying out future DIY around the house - the same for electrical wiring, alarm interconnecting and other concealed wiring.

Of course, another reason we perceive those devices as getting more potent could simply be that there are now ever increasing numbers of them in use throughout the World. Thus, the cumulative linked effect would be to strengthen their effectiveness – as you might expect if they work on principles based on Sheldrake's theories.

I am one of the World's worst when it comes to experimentation or `thinking outside the box' so it was very welcome to read of Cicco Buff's experiments with the CUU Pins. Up to then, my greatest concern with the Garment Pin was to put it in a place where it did not show or come undone and stab me at an inconvenient moment or even fall out and get lost! Great as P.W.B. products are, there are further rewards to be gained from a little time and inspiration.

Just a note on the Super Wipe: I seem to recall that it is important to use plain white paper kitchen towel – no printed patterns or colours. I always have two at hand - one for use on things like copper pipes, items of furniture and other general usage where tiny bits of abrasive material might get picked up and I use another exclusively for CD's where I use it on both the label side and, following a light spray of Morphic Liquid, lightly on the playing face.

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.

14th June 2008 From Cico Buff.

Subject: Re: Super Wipe and Morphic Green Cream

--- "Kevin Kehoe" wrote:

>>>I am one of the World's worst when it comes to experimentation or `thinking outside the box' so it was very welcome to read of Cicco Buff's experiments with the CUU Pins. <<

Thanks, nice to know. I haven't continued experimenting with the CCU pin too much after what I wrote, because I found a good place for it and have left it there since. Where you ask? Well, I have an ionizer in the bedroom, hanging from the ceiling on a cotton rope, near my bed. The pin was stuck through the rope at the end (just before it attaches to a ring which attaches to the ionizer machine). For some reason, that was significantly better to my hearing, than even the centre of a clothing label. The CCU pin is a really fun toy to play with, because of the fact that it's so easy to remove and replace. One other thing I found is that it too adheres to the odd/even rule. Meaning, it sounds better when used in odd numbers. Hmmm.... I'd say about 5 or 7 of these, each attached to a separate article of clothing on your person, and you're going to have the best sound heard, at the

next live concert!

Cico buff.

29th June 2008 From Cico buff.

Subject: A new location for SR foil?

From a 2000 review in Stereo Times:

http://www.stereotimes.com/amp021000.shtml

(Haven't tried it, but this would be perfect for my BF A100 amp, as the indicator markers always come off of these...)

Cico buff.

29th June 2008 From James Takamatsu.

Subject: Re: A new location for SR foil?

Hi All-

Here's my latest find on application for P.W.B Rainbow Foil. When I asked Geoff Kait on usage of Golden Sound resonance discs, he recommended placement on fuse holders. The discs are unsightly for the living room walls (I've taken to placing my P.W.B foils out of sight so I don't have to answer the same questions to new guests to our house), so instead I applied small squares of SR foil to the end caps of my Shahinian Obelisks' fuse holders. This really freed the sound up, both dynamically and spatially. Whether this had anything to do with resonance I don't know, but it sure does work.

Mahalo, James

3rd July 2008 From cico buff.

Subject: The Demystification Of Peter W. Belt

"He used to be frowned upon by the audio mainstream for his "left field" views during the late 1980's, Peter Belt's theories were later proven to be fact as the 1990's wore on. Will his more "radical views" be proven otherwise with time?"

This blew my mind...

http://boneshifi.blogspot.com/2008/05/demystification-of-peter-w-belt.html

Cico buff.

10th July 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: PWB - Interesting article by Clark Johnsen just published in Positive Feedback Online

Hi Everyone.

There is an interesting article by Clark Johnsen just published in Positive Feedback Online (link below)

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue38/cj_diary.htm

making a reference to the P.W.B. Christmas Card ( a Belt device) and Belt concepts.

Clark's article shows that the controversial debate on just what can affect 'sound' is STILL continuing. Clark's latest article describes yet more things which can affect the 'sound' but which cannot be explained from within conventional electronic, audio or acoustic theories.

Kind Regards, May Belt.

18th August 2008 From Warrick

Subject: New member and questions

Have just joined this group.

I do believe that certain colours and things like a clean tidy room make things sound better in my mind. But wouldn't a lot of these tweaks just be the placebo effect in action. I have a sample of foil on the way and if I start to believe it will change the sound it will.

Don't a lot of these tweaks just put you in a good frame of mind so you can enjoy the music more, and also when we do tweaks we tend to listen harder to the recording as well.

I will keep an open mind and wait for my foil to arrive.

Warrick

18th August 2008 From Andreas Makridis.

Subject: RE: New member and questions

Warrick

The placebo approach is theoretically valid. Keep an open mind though and test the foil throughout

Andreas.

19th August 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re New members

Welcome to you Warrick and to all recent newcomers to the P.W.B Chat forum.

Andreas is correct, Warrick - try to keep an open mind and try the Foil and Cream in as many areas as possible. The improvements in your sound (music) are there to find !!

Kind Regards, May

19th August 2008 From Karl Keeling.

Subject: Re: New member and questions

Warrick,

I have also just joined the group hoping to pick up ideas on how to enhance my listening. I bought the starter and intermediate packs and I can honestly say it is not the placebo effect. I had used a blu cd statmat in the past to enhance the cd sound but applying foils, electret cream and freezing is even better. Since treating my system even untreated cds sound better and the picture on my lcd tv as also got better. It was after applying inverting foil to my Cyrus cd player that this happened. So go on give it a try.

Karl

20th August 2008 From Warrick.

Subject: Re: New member and questions

Report:

I had a frozen DVD of a Peter Gabriel concert Applied 2 foil strips and applied cream on both sides, also applied cream to my interconnects as well. Also applied foil to the top of the amp and at the back of the DVD player.

Sat down last night to listen and watch the DVD.......and..........YES....WOW! First thing I notice was an improvement in the bass there was better separation between the instruments with a lot more detail in the up feqs. Even heard a some backing vocals on a song that had got lost in the mix before. Very relaxing to listen to as well.

Even the wife who is usually running around doing stuff stopped in her tracks and listened for 20 mins. There was also an improvement in the picture as well esp skin tones. I have 2 CD slowly defosting at the moment 1 been frozen for the second time, both foil and cream treated so I will sit down to night to listen.

Warrick

20th August 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics,

Subject: Re: New member and questions

I find it interesting, Warrick, that you mention the TV picture improving (esp skin tones) !! This is one area (TV picture improving) which can take even ME by surprise - even after all these years !! As well as improved skin tones you get improved textures of materials, improved sheen on wood and metal (especially of wood and brass musical instruments) and - to my constant amazement - sparkle of glass.

May

21th August 2008 From Warrick.

Subject: Re: New member and questions

Last night I listen to 2 frozen, foiled and creamed CD. The first was Van Morrison "keep it simple" and The Dali CD various artists. I could never get into the VM CD, But after the treatment it just seemed to flow better, it sounded more organised than before. On the Dali CD..Track 3 Hugh Masekela- "The coal train" I have listen to this a number of times before, but only realised last night that this is a live recording, before the treatment the crowd seemed to be lost in the mix, but after treatment there was more 'air' in the recording and more detail came through. On other tracks there was more detail and the snare drum really came through in some recordings. Overall a great improvement but of course there is more belting to be done.

Warrick.

20th August 2008 From Warrick.

Subject: Freezing equipment

Can I freeze my Ipod and DVD player ? Do I need to put them in a plastic bag and do I need to cover anything up ?

Thanks again

Warrick.

26th August 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re. Freezing equipment

Hello All

Although we do not specifically encourage people to put their audio equipment through the freezing/slow defrost procedure some of our customers have done this procedure with success. So, we would like to add a few words of caution for anyone wishing to attempt to freeze their equipment.

If you DO decide to put any of your audio equipment through this freezing/slow defrost procedure, using your own domestic deep freezer, make sure that the item of equipment is sealed in a plastic bag when placed in the deep freezer. After freezing make sure that the equipment is defrosted very, very slowly by wrapping it in a towel or a blanket for at least a day or two. This will minimise the chance of condensation getting into the equipment. Before connecting the equipment to the AC supply make absolutely sure that the equipment is thoroughly dry - i.e. no moisture or condensation inside or on the equipment.

One specific word of warning.

Any item of equipment which has such as a Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) may not be suitable for putting in a deep freezer, as LCD's are not good at low temperature.

Kind regards. May

26th August 2008 From Karl Keeling.

Subject: Red 'X' pen

I am a new member to the group and after purchasing the starter pack I could not wait to get the Intermediate pack so that I could use the Red 'X' pen I had read so much about. Initially I treated all Batteries in remotes and torches before using it to write messages on my equipment and cd's. I had read a lot of positive feedback and this possibly spoilt my perception but I did not really find any change in anything I tried it on. Well not in the immediate sense, I used the foils and various creams and with these I got great results and believe that the morphic messages I had written may have helped with the overall improvements in sound but it certainly was not a sudden change with the 'X' pen. I have also crossed through thousands of barcodes in my home just downstairs at the moment as this is where my collection of over a thousand cd's and albums are. I believe this as improved the sound and de-stressed the home

Can anyone give me any tips for use of the 'X' pen. I am also thinking about purchasing the One Drop next and if this is the direction to go in. I believe Peter and May Belt are the best things to have happened in hi-fi for along time.

Cheers, Karl.

27th August 2008 From Michael Parin.

Subject: Re: Freezing equipment.

Hi Warrick,I just thought I'd add my 2 cents to May's Reply. Whenever I freeze/slow thaw anything (Amps,CD players, cables, even bookshelf speakers) I place the item(s) in a big enough ziplock bag, which has also been PWB treated - rainbow foil, creamed etc. - then I get a roll of cling wrap -the clear plastic film for wrapping sandwiches etc- and tightly wrap 3/4 layers both ways - ie: a rectangular shaped CD player - 3-4 layers lengthwise, then 3-4 layers around the shorter side. Then put a dab of PWB cream on the outside of completed parcel, place in freezer along with a clean folded bath towel - leave for 24 Hours then take out and unfold towel, place wrapped item in towel, then place in the coolest part of your home for at least 6 hrs then repeat process.

If it's warm where you live, try wrapping thawing bundle in as many blankets, doona's as you can.

Good luck, and let us know how it works out!

Michael...

31st August 2008 From Tom Marsden.

Subject: My `Blue Planet` experience

A few weeks ago, my nephew Keith and his wife Christine, invited me to the G-mex Centre in Manchester. The event was a showing, on big screen, of selected sequences from the BBC television series Planet Earth. Like tens of millions around the world I had been totally enthralled by the superb photography and expertise of the series and the chance to see these pictures again on big screen was an opportunity not to be missed. Also, and this concentrated my attention, was the fact that the original background music to the filming would be played live on stage by the Manchester Camerata Orchestra, and conducted by the composer of the music. This was the opportunity I had been waiting for to try out P.W.B treatments in a large arena. In the past I have been somewhat sceptical of the claims made that a few P.W.B treatments can transform the acoustics of a large arena; so now was the chance to test the claims for myself. The G-mex Centre was originally the Manchester Central Railway Station; constructed in the Victorian period and since converted for use as a conference and exhibition centre. As you can imagine it is a vast cavernous space. When we arrived at the centre my heart sank; mounted high above the stage on either side was a massive loudspeaker. If I was to hear the Manchester Camerata live then, obviously, it would have to be another time and another place but to-night, most definitely, would not be the night.( In 2006 I attended an open air concert at the Spoleto Music Festival in Italy which had a similar set-up with two huge loudspeakers high above the stage. The evening was very enjoyable with the Mediterranean weather and the animated Italian crowd, but the sound of the Israel Philharmonic coming from those speakers was a disaster) However, here I was, and I would carry out my original plan and see what happened. The seats in the arena were small metal framed folding type with plastic seats and backrests. Cheap and cheerful? Cheap, yes; cheerful, no! There were thousands of them. We were packed like sardines and as far as I could see there wasn`t an empty chair in the place.

Prior to the start of the programme, a presenter on stage,( who I took to be one of the original cameramen),

explained that we would be shown selections of film footage of under-water and coastal scenes some of which had not been shown on the original TV series.

When the performance started my worst fears were confirmed. I was sitting about a third the length of the arena from the stage and left of stage. The volume level coming from the speaker in front of me was at pain threshold level and I wished I had brought ear-plugs. The images on screen were also a disappointment due to unnecessary lights being left switched on. During the last sequence, before the interval, I decided it was time to carry out the P.W.B treatments. I passed to Keith a plastic bag containing the kit of P.W.B products that I had brought along ( I was concerned to ensure I did not to touch any P.W.B devices). I then instructed Keith to fit a `Present` foil on each of the two seat backrests in front of him; to smear with `Green Cream` and , finally wipe with the `Super-wipe`. After carrying out the instructions, Keith passed the plastic bag to me and I sat back to see whether I could any detect any changes. Within seconds I WAS AWE-STRUCK! I am one of the early adopters of P.W.B treatments and over the twenty years or so that I have been applying these techniques there have been many moments when I have had to stand back, shake my head in disbelief and wondered `what on earth is going on`. This was another such moment. So how can I describe the change that `I` perceived?

I have given this some thought and the best that I can do is to say that before the `treatments` the sound seemed to be MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY compressed. It was very much upfront, flat, distorted and unbearably loud. And what after the `treatments`? Well, imagine that a Fairy Godmother appeared with a magic wand; cast a spell and like magic all the compression disappeared ( excuse the lapse into fantasy land but it really was a magical change). The average sound level dropped dramatically and for the first time I became aware of a stereo sound stage. The stage was very wide and deep; with the different sections of the orchestra now separated. There was space around soloists and the percussion section placed to the back of the orchestra - where it should be. The sound was still a million miles away from a live orchestra but it was now enjoyable to listen to. It was an unbelievable turn-around; a minute earlier I wanted ear-plugs and now my ears hung onto every note. I looked at the big screen but I couldn`t see any improvement of the picture quality. I now asked Keith if he had noticed any difference to the sound quality. He replied no. His reply mildly shocked me, since to me the difference was blindingly obvious. I reasoned that perhaps his mind was so concentrated on the screen to be unaware of any sound and that I should have coached him prior to fitting the foils - a lesson for the future. I made the same enquiry with Christine and got the same negative response.

With the interval, the couple sitting in front of me decided they had had enough and left so when the performance recommenced I now had an unobstructed view of the screen and stage, also someone had had the sense to switch off all the lights leaving the place in total darkness except for the screen; this of course improved the pictures - giving more contrast and vibrancy to the colours. I was now really enjoying the entertainment and marvelled at the power of the amplifiers and sound effect. I was also appreciating the background music; not a tune you could whistle to but it blended beautifully with the on screen scenes. After a few more film sequences I decided now was the time for me to apply P.W.B treatments. So the same sequence as before - on the two seat backrests in front of me I applied the `Present Foil`, `Green Cream` and `Super-wipe`and sat back to listen for the changes. There weren`t any! I have to say I was perplexed at the result but I couldn`t get away from the fact that I couldn`t detect the slightest difference in sound or picture quality after I had applied the `treatments`. The evenings results had completely overturned my preconceived ideas that Keith applying the P.W.B foils would have no effect on me but my applying them would. Going home had me in deep thought. When I got home I put a Cd in the Marantz and listened to Paul Lewis playing Beethoven Sonats for an hour - to clean out my ears. A few days later I was talking to a neighbour who had also been at the event. When asked if she had heard any difference in sound quality between first and second parts of the evening, her reply was `no but the sound was far to noisy`. So what conclusions do I come to after my `Blue Planet` experience? Did the minor Belt treatments affect the arena acoustics? I was sceptical before and I am even less convinced now. However, I have no doubts something, strange, weird, wonderful; call it what you like affected my perception that night and I am likely to remember it for a long time. The experience has whetted my appetite for more but next time will be with a `real` live orchestral performance at the Bridgewater Hall. Actually, now is an ideal time to continue with these hall treatment experiments since the BBC Proms season is ongoing and the BBC transmit every concert live. What is required is for someone living in the London area to do the `treatments`, preferrably a televised broadcast, and then we can all judge for ourselves. Any volunteers, Richard?

Happy `Belting` everyone. Tom.

2nd September 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: My `Blue Planet` experience

Hi Tom,

It is good to have some verification of what I had been feeling for some time. Of course there are always other questions - for example, are we more sensitive to the P.W.B effect through use of the products? - but ultimately, I am not too concerned, as I get to hear and see live music in a better form. As you indicate, the effect is not small, and if this were the only reason for buying P.W.B products, it would be enough. We can only guess what a more complete treatment of a live venue might achieve.

I have had a related but different experience that I want to share, because it clarified a key issue for me. In a fit of sheer indulgence, I have been seduced by the Meridian F80, and bowled over by it's sound, bought one. It really is amazing. I have treated it to the highest standard with labels, foils and magnadiscs, creams and oil, a digiplus, and it is a marvel. One real bonus is just how compact it is, and so it was taken on holiday!

Now I was hoping that this technological marvel, fully treated with P.W.B devices, would be just as sensational when away from home. Wrong.

In an environment with a similar temperature etc., it sounded a mere shadow of itself. Worse, it seemed less able to play tunes. My conclusion was that in its current setting, the treated environment significantly uplifts its performance, and devices applies to the F80 are only a part of that beneficial influence.

All of this is rather peculiar, given that I did treat the room we stayed in with the same creams and foils that are so outstanding in the concert hall. Perhaps scale/size works inversely to the effect, and the 'box' problems are less? Should treating the environment be primary and maximal?

This all needs further investigation, but as stated above, if you want to get the best out of a live show, you know what to do.

I guess we have missed the Proms for this year, but there may be other opportunities, via the BBC, and even next summer.

I have to say my head has also been turned by some other developments of late, namely the Squeezebox Duet. When it comes to listening to the radio, I have found it very impressive. Indeed in the UK, internet radio is making DAB look like 78 rpm records. I am exploring the treatment of the Duet box, and will post more later, as this is the future.

Richard

2nd September 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Freezing equipment

Hi Warrick,

Not adding much more, but the only time I damaged a piece of equipment was through clumsy soldering, and never through freezing.

What I have found works very well is wrapping the frozen item in a duvet once removed from the freezer. It can take a whole day to get to room temperature, and works better than towels for me.

And don't forget to treat the freezer!

Richard

2nd September 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Red 'X' pen

Hi Karl,

Always a puzzle this, and the only thing I can suggest is to slow things down. I have sometimes had peculiar results when I have done a lot of treating at once (thousands of barcodes!). Once Peter suggested giving the brain time to catch up with the changes, and I think this is still true. Or do one more small treatment, like a piece of Foil on something - it can be like an issue of harmony.

Let us know how you get on.

Richard

3rd September 2008 From A. Martherus.

Subject: Re: Red 'X' pen

Dear Karl,

Strange and a pity that the pen did not work (yet).

Just to be sure: after you write or cross something, you tap it with the cap of the pen, looking at it, right? You should.

And here's the old trick, to activate all P.W.B-devices: take your phone, call yourself (your own number), and when you can hear the "unknown number tone", tap with the Red 'X' Pen on the microphone end of the phone horn.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

Happy belting, Arkie

18th September 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Duet For One

Indeed, one has purchased a Squeezebox Duet, and since this is the likely model for future audio and video replay, I wanted to share my initial thoughts.

1. CAT5 cables - although wireless transmission of audio is possible, as the bit rate goes up, the risk of drop-outs increases. I tried one of the excellent, and often Gramophone recommended, Linn 24bit FLAC downloads, and the wireless route wasn't up to it. However, how do you treat a CAT5 cable?.. Well, there is all the usual cream and Spiratube stuff, but now we have a ring tie pattern. This is a crucial step, as the treatment of the digital cable influences the perceived outcome. For those of you with wired networks, this is important. May suggested applying Green Cream to the entire length of the CAT5 cable before applying the ring ties. I was intrigued by that. Whilst still tweaking with the position of the router , and length of cables needed, I applied Green Cream, then Black Cream to the entire length of a Sony USB cable for an ageing but excellent MiniDisc player. I sprayed, dropped and clipped it, and the difference this made to the transfer of wav files to the player was extraordinary. The benefit really is passed to the disc, as it remains audible outside of the building where the treated cable is.

What I really hope to find out soon is whether , say, iTune downloads are enhanced by the treated CAT5 cable. Watch this space.

2. The Receiver is small, and there are limited options, but I settled on applying all message foils, a Retro Label, a Green Magnadisc (search archives for why...) and a Violet Magnadisc. As I was using the optical output, I added a Digiplus (really excellent) and two standard Phonoplugs to the three phono sockets available. All of this made a really massive difference. I then treated the Wall-wart power supply, again applying cream along the full length of the wire. Wonderful. And I still haven't frozen it yet - I rather want to get another to use whilst this one is going through the freeze cycle.

What I love most about the Duet is the access to Internt Radio. IO and Last FM play stuff you just could not hear in the UK, and bands such as Camel and Gentle Giant can still be heard. The sound is great, even at 128kb, and so much better than DAB. Bit rates should rise, especially for the BBC stations. I have yet to get a NAS Server, to really enjoy flawless high resolution downloads, and the Linn catalogue really has some great music, so I will do this.

I am also tempted to try the Audiocom modifications and an upgraded power supply, as I think these, with the above P.W.B treatments might take the Duet into the stratosphere.

More on these treatments, and some curious experiences with CD lathed and Nespa'd discs, and why they aren't a patch on Rainbow Foil!

Richard

18th September 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Duet for One.- Unused sockets.

Richard. You HAVE been busy !!

It is rather coincidental that you should refer to 'treating' unused sockets because I have just been reading an article by Jeff Day in Positive Feedback Online. He is mentioning a Japanese audio firm saying that unused sockets are a problem and have to be 'treated'. When I read that, I thought "Wait a moment. How long ago was it when Peter was telling people that unused sockets in equipment are a problem and have to be 'treated'."

So, I decided to look back through my audio magazine archives and found an article by Jimmy Hughes in 1988 - 20 years ago !! - outlining some of Peter's techniques which Jimmy had tried for 'treating' unused sockets and how they had improved Jimmy's sound.

Over the years I have always commented that P.W.B. Customers are way ahead of the rest of the audio industry - and 20 years IS way ahead !!

We recommend that one Digiplus (a very specially treated phono plug at 45 UK pounds) should be inserted into any one unused socket on equipment and then a Standard phono plug (a 'treated' phono plug at 15 UK pounds) into as many of the other unused sockets on equipment as possible.

Kind Regards, May

30th September 2008 From Brian Hannen

Subject: Socket to me, one more time

Hi to all, and welcome to the new guys,

Very shortly, I will be taking delivery of some Cryo'd 13A fuses, ordered from Russ Andrews.( I know that I could have tried bog-standard ones but curiosity has got the better of me.)

As far as Belting them goes: I know that they can be treated with Sol-Electret, penned on the ends, Superwiped and Clipped. Has anyone any ideas for further treatment?

Also on order are single, unswitched wall sockets from 'The Missing Link', on which I will carry out a variety of Belt treatments. Watch this space.

I picked up on Richards Green Cream, Superwipe and Clipping of cables. In a spare hour I did most of mine. Wow, what an improvement. I got greater clarity and stereo depth and that's without treating the, almost inaccessible cables, from CD player to pre-amp!!

Right, I am off now to break my back in trying to get to the aforementioned cables.

Regards to all, Brian

1st October 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: green cream

Dear All,

I too found the recent posting by Richard of interest and, like Brian, I put a little time aside to treat the interconnects on my hi fi with Green Cream. I treated all the leads, both power and signal, being careful to move all the attached ring ties a little along the lead before creaming and then moving them back in position. With the aid of a super wipe, a small quantity of cream went a long way. I covered as much as possible of the lead surface on each connector – in contrast to my previous small dab and wipe to a very small area only. After re clipping the Blue ring tie on each lead, and clipping the power and signal plug at the ends, I had a listen. The result was yet another substantial sound lift. As I am long past the point (Belt wise) where those treatments are seen as vital to cure my previous irritations at the limitations of my system, they now simply add further to my enjoyment of an already fairly extensive P.W.B. corrected environment - not that it is in any way Belt complete however. I have yet to try a good many Belt products in greater quantity – its just that, those days, the hi fi sounds `right' virtually all of the time instead of sounding `wrong' most of the time which makes me a very happy music listener. If a few P.W.B. critics who rubbish Peter without even trying his products were to try a few of those creams and foils, they might also find that there is a ready answer to their search for audio contentment!

Regards, Kevin Kehoe.

7th October 2008 From Tom Marsden.

Subject: Re: Socket to me, one more time.

.. Brian, smearing the barrel of the fuses with `Black Cream` will be very beneficial. Assuming the fuses are basically standard Uk 13 amp; you can also solder the end caps with `Smart Metal`. However, I advise, "do not" solder the ends of the glass fuses found inside equipments - that way can be expensive in ruined fuses. I would be interested to know how effective the Russ Andrews fuses are prior to Belt treatments.

Regards. Tom.

8th October 2008 From Warrick Moore.

Subject: Which magnadisc to place on top of CD player.

Hi

What colour disc should I place on top of my CD player please.

Warrick.

12th October 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Re: Fw: posting from Tom - Re: Socket to me, one more time

Tom,

Thanks for your tips .

You have raised a very good point about the fuses. I will use them for a while, before Belting them. By the way, they look just like regular 13

amp fuses. I will not be going anywhere near glass fuses, anytime soon.,

Regards to all, Brian

18th October 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Fw: posting from Tom - Re: Socket to me, one more time

Hi Brian,

My sequence for the fuse is as follows:

1. Smart Metal the end cap - I just apply enough to cover the end 'circle'.

2. Cover the whole fuse with Morphic Green Cream, and superwipe.

3. Cover fuse barrel with Black Cream and superwipe.

4. Spray with Morphic Liquid and superwipe.

5. Apply One Drop Liquid all over and superwipe.

6. Colour the end cap 'circle' with violet ink from chunky pen.

7. Sign and 'x26'x etc. the barrel with Red X pen (if you have small writing 600Hz > OK might be good to add).

8. Tap end caps with both end of Violet Chunky Pen.

9. Clip.

10. Freeze.

I don't add Sol-electret before freezing, though it might be a good idea.

The question I have relates to whether a P.W.B freeze after cryogenic treatment improves things further. I can see why it would, and your fuses might be the item to practice on, given their modest cost?

I find the Hi Fi Tuning fuses, though more expensive, have a sweeter sound, and are preferable to the ordinary ones, even with the P.W.B treatments. But the Russ Andrews ones may be terribly close, and are clearly much more cost-effective.

Richard

18th October 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Implications

My first contact with P.W.B devices 21 years ago caused quite a lot of anxiety, because the implications were so disturbing.

I am now in the same situation. I have now fully treated a CAT6 cable, now passing from my Cable Modem to a wireless router (all treated).

Tomorrow I will download a few known iTunes that I have previously purchased.

What will I think if the more recent downloads with new cable in place sound better? How would one understand that? I know I can 'improve' the TV picture and recordings with similar steps, but I am struggling to get to grips with this for the download should be the same, in terms of data. But if the more recent download sounds better, the P.W.B improves the quality of it, through some sort of quantum meta-data.

More tomorrow. Richard

18th October 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: The Spinning Disc

Both Linn and Naim have servers that do not use a CD for the source of data. Both companies imply the sound is better from the server. Linn assert that this method is superior to even their CD12. Keith Howard has been impressed.

Yet how early in his work did Peter emphasise the spinning CD was a very bad influence on our perceptions. Take it away, and the sound gets better. 20 years later, we may have a way of getting better sound.

Richard

18th October 2008 From Steve Paines.

Subject: Re: The Spinning Disc

Yes a number of companies are coming forward with CD less digital sources. Another is PS Audio in the USA who have recently released a Hard Disc player.

Hence my question don't these sources still have a spinning disc at the route of their configuration? Its just that the CD is being replaced by a spinning hard disc.

A number of enthusiasts are getting excellent results using the multi media sources such as TVIX with a hard drive installed as a musical source into their DACs. Does this mean a hard drive player is superior to a CD player, or is it the case that the spinning CD and laser mechanism are having a detrimental effect on the sound being produced?

Stephen

20th October 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Implications

Apologies.

The most recent downloads sound better. Not a lot, but smoother, richer, more organically musical, akin to a live event.

I wouldn't blow this out of proportion, as the main question is 'how can this be?'. But for those who download, a treated CAT6 cable might be a real bonus. Next step, try a download wirelessly to a laptop....

So, how can this work?!?

Richard.

23rd October 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Now in HD...

Managed to get to the BBC Electric Proms yesterday, for Goldfrapp, and of course did a few things.

I won't say more now, but highlights are on BBC HD and BBC Four at 10.00 pm tomorrow (24th October), and the band were on amazing form.

I personally feel you can see some of what I achieved in the pictures...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/2008/artists/goldfrapp/

Richard

27th October 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Now in HD...

Richard,

Our TV is old technology (purchased about 1998) with a more recent addition of a combined DVD recorder and tuner. They have both been fairly well treated with P.W.B. devices including a full set of Ringties on the mains and signal leads. The result of the treatments show very convincingly that there is nothing inherently wrong with the technology that produced this TV because we enjoy the best picture you could imagine along with superb sound from the two tiny speakers built into the cabinet either side of the screen. OK, maybe it doesn't produce the slam of a cinema surround system, but the sound has clarity combined with naturalness, and the bass it does manage to produce has an uncanny realism that allows the mind to fill in for the lack of air movement. Of course the day will come when the old thing gives up the ghost and we will jump on the bandwagon like everyone else and get the best wide screen beauty we can afford. But, until that day comes, it is more than sufficient at doing its job.

So, on Friday night we watched Goldfrapp and enjoyed the deeply saturated stage colours and the well balanced and detailed sound that made for a very enjoyable concert. I presume it was edited down to fit the half hour broadcast.

From our view of the performance, we could not detect any section of the concert that stood out from any other in terms of sound or vision – it was, to us, uniformly very good indeed – I'm thinking here that perhaps whatever Belt treatments you carried out were done at some stage into the concert and the editing process might then produce a `mix and match' effect where the treated sections might pop up at random.

Whether this is correct or not, the result for us was a uniformly good sound and visual throughout but, with no exceptional passages.

The following day (Saturday) BBC Radio 2 broadcasted Caravan Girl from the same concert and that also had very good, open sound quality on our car stereo.

Last year, we did a little experiment of our own along similar lines but the venue was a cinema. Decked out with our best P.W.B. Garment pins attached to our glad rags, we saw the Cohen's No country for old men. Without attracting too much attention, I managed to apply a little Green Cream to the metal frames of our seats followed by a Superwipe and a clipping. I also had a little wander around and applied a tiny amount of cream to other parts of the cinema structure and a quick wipe – as much as I dared, anyway, before Wendy carried out a few threats if I didn't sit down. We could not say we were aware of the picture being any better although I felt there was a definite sound improvement. Wendy was less sure but there were moments when we were both surprised by the realism of certain sound effects – in particular, we nearly dived for cover when the psychopathic killer Anton Chigurh (played by Javier Bardem) used his home made compressed gas weapon to blow the centre out of Yale locks - as well a killing tool. We both became more aware of the `incidental' sounds going on in the movie – much the same as the sound of our TV at home where soaps in particular seem to be awash with background noises which come across in our lounge with a reality that sometimes make us look around the room for the source.

I am very aware this activity is not scientific in its approach but I think, apart from a bit of fun and curiosity, it has some value in trying to find the boundaries of the `Belt effect'. I am pretty sure most of those who regularly use different P.W.B. products have had at least one `Eureka' moment when, within a nanosecond of playing a disc, they are absolutely aware that something very special has happened to the sound. I know it has happened for me a number of times at home and it is worth a bit of furtive P.W.B. activity in cinemas and music venues to see if there is a similar revelation awaiting there. As I have said before, although I see P.W.B. Electronics primary role as getting me closer to the heart of music, very close behind is my still burning curiosity to know where the whole thing is going.

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.

27th October 2008 From Richard Graham.

Subject: Re: Now in HD...

Hi Kevin,

Given the size of the hall - I think there were only 130 in the audience! - it was hard to be very effective. Further, when I saw the two battleship-sized mixing desks, and cameras like out of the future, I did wonder how I could influence the sound. You are pretty correct in that I threw most of what I had - foils, pins, creams - in early on, and the sound was then very good. I kept adding as we went along, including some gold message Foil (onto which I had written the address of the hall > O.K.). By the time we got to their splendid Ummagumma-esque 'Little Bird', I applied some One Drop. The detail of what the players were doing (very visible on the broadcast) was spellbinding.

Ms Goldfrapp of course stole the show, and was in amazing voice. Not broadcast, her opening notes to 'Utopia' with later choral enhancement, were just unbelievable. Such power.

And as a bonus, I can be seen on TV.... After 'Caravan Girl' (built to a gorgeous, full band crescendo) there is a momentary view of a man talking to a delightful lady wearing glasses...another Mrs G!

I hope to catch the HD version at the weekend, but on our oldish analogue set, the picture and sound were lovely.

And for those who don't know, or even like them, try the glorious MP3 of 'Clowns', from the link below. Can you hear any P.W.B magic at work?....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/2008/artists/goldfrapp/

Richard.

29th October 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: A Selection of P.W.B. Techniques to "Lift your Spirits." - Introduction

Hi Everyone.

Many of our more recent customers have been asking me to provide them with a recommended selection list of versatile but also very cost effective P.W.B. Techniques which will give them improvements to their sound for a small outlay. So, I will be posting on this Forum, over the next few weeks, in ascending order of cost, a small selection from our quite extensive range of P.W.B. Devices and Techniques.

Regards, May.

30th October 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: Re: Now in HD...

Many thanks for your comments Richard; I fully intend to carry out further treatments to music venues in the future out of sheer curiosity. As I said, if I get a result like I did when I use some of the P.W.B. foils and creams on the home system, there will be no mistaking the magical moment when it happens at a concert. My most recent `bowl over' moment at home came after further reading of the literature that came with the P.W.B. Chunky Blue pen. It states that the blue pen application to the centre of the CD tray (the serrated bit that holds the disc in place in its jewel case) is greatly enhanced if a Blue VR/CD Magnadisc is attached to the CD player. This can be inside the top cover (where I attached it) so that it `looks' at the spinning disc or, to the outside of the top of the unit cover – again over the area where the disc is spinning inside. To be honest, I do recall reading this at the time I purchased the chunky pens but chose to ignore it because another way to achieve a result is to place the Blue pen on top of the player when playing the disc but, putting the special Blue Magnsdisc in place was a revelation – so much so that I put one on the vinyl turntable as well! As I do not have a cover for the turntable, after consulting May, this Magnadisc was attached underneath the platter. Again, the result was an instant; unmistakeable hit – no need for evaluation – like the flick of a switch it was there in all its glory. A greater result can be had by fitting four Magnadiscs in a formation above the spinning disc and I have already ordered three more for the CD payer. When funds allow, I will also complete the treatment of the turntable. And the moral is? - Never underestimate the potential of a P.W.B. Device!

Incidentally, this could be a partial answer to the question posted by Warrick Moore on Oct 8.

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.

31st October 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Re: Re: Now in HD...

Hi to all,

It is good to see that Kevin has had good results from the Blue Magnadiscs. It is spooky, really, as my next venture in the wonderful world of Belt will be Blue discs, followed by the ones that treat glass.

A quick question, if I may. All of my radiators have treated magnets on them. Will the rads benefit from adding discs, or should I concentrate on attaching them to the equipment?

I have taken delivery of two wall sockets from 'The Missing Link' and they, along with the RA fuses, will be getting as much of a Belting as can be done with my supply of Belt goodies. Watch this space.

Regards to all, Brian

31st October 2008 From Brian Hannen.

Subject: Ta

Hi Richard,

Sorry, I forgot to mention this in my last post. Thanks very much for the tips on fuse treatment. I shall follow them to the letter.

Regards, Brian.

PS Is Mats still out there and is he still enjoying his Reggae?

1st November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: Re: Now in HD...

Brian, what a coincidence that you have mentioned 'treated' magnets because, as you will see, 'treated' magnets is the first on my list of "To Lift your Spirits" techniques.

I would suggest that you reserve the Special Blue Magnadiscs which Kevin referred to for attaching to equipment.

Kind Regards, May

1st November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 1.

P.W.B. Smart Metal - Cost - 10 UK pounds per metre.

In addition to using Smart Metal as described on our instruction leaflet for Smart Metal you can put Smart Metal to more extensive use.

As explained in our Smart Metal instruction leaflet, beneficial messages have been induced into the Smart Metal. If you can, obtain a quantity of the small, round (disc) magnets (usually used on fridge magnets) - these small disc magnets can be obtained from Arts and Crafts (Hobby Craft) shops at a very reasonable price. The HobbyCraft stores should have the packets containing smaller amounts of the 14 mm diameter disc magnets (i.e. 20 per pack or 50 per pack) at approximately 4 UK pounds for a pack of 50 disc magnets.

By applying a soldering iron to the Smart Metal and melting a small amount of Smart Metal onto the face of the disc magnet, the beneficial messages are transferred into the disc magnet. Be aware that the Smart Metal will not usually stay permanently on the face of the magnet but that does not matter because the beneficial messages will have already been transferred into the magnet.

Then place a 'treated' disc magnet onto as many steel and iron objects in the listening room and building as possible.

Regards, May.

2nd November 2008 From Kevin Kehoe.

Subject: VR/CD Blue Magnadiscs

It was Friday and it was Halloween. I fitted a full set of VR/CD Blue Magnadiscs to the CD player and played Monster Mash by Bobby `Boris' Pickett and the Crypt-Kickers. There were sounds in there I had NEVER heard before and was afraid - very afraid. Now, days later, THE SPOOK IS STILL IN THE MACHINE!!!!!!!

Regards to all, Kevin Kehoe.

3rd November 2008 From Mats Lindberg.

Subject: SV: Ta

Hello Brian (and everybody else)!

I'm still here, but I'm not a very active poster. I'm still enjoying my Reggae, and I have finally bought Bass Culture. I have reached page ninety something. It's really good, so thank you for mentioning it.

Regards, Mats

5th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 2.

Pieces of quarter round wooden doweling. Cost - the price of the length of wooden doweling.

Human beings do not like right angles and there are numerous right angles in any room. As well as the obvious right angles of the walls and the ceiling, there are the right angles formed by such as book cases, shelves, door architraves, window frames etc.

Obtain a length of the quarter round wooden doweling from a hardware store and cut it into small pieces approx 5 cms (2 inches) and place one piece in any right angle. You can use a removable adhesive such as Blu Tack to attach

the piece temporarily for experimental purposes. Listen to some music for a short time, then remove the piece of doweling and see if you can still listen, without the doweling in place, to the same music with the same pleasure. When you have determined the best position (for the best sound) the pieces of wooden doweling can be attached in position permanently.

A further improvement in the sound can then be obtained if, after the piece of wooden doweling has been placed in it's permanent position, a small amount of P.W.B. Cream-Electret is applied to it's surface.

Regards, May

10th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 3.

P.W.B. Spiratube - 15 UK pounds per metre, 6 mm diameter.

Pieces of the 6 mm diameter Spiratube (between 3 and 5 cms), can be cut from the metre length and a piece fitted around the outer insulation of all AC power cables and audio interconnect cables. The Spiratube is coiled around the cable so that there is an air space between the individual turns of Spiratube. Fitting a section of Spiratube around all audio, video and computer interconnects is also very beneficial.

P.W.B. Spiratube - 15 UK pounds per metre, 12 mm diameter.

Pieces of the 12 mm diameter Spiratube (approximately 10 cms) should be cut from the metre length and a piece fitted around most domestic pipes. It is suitable for spiralling around hot water, cold water, central heating and gas supply pipes.

Regards, May.

15th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 4.

Plain piece of paper under one of four feet. Cost - Free.

Place a plain piece of paper under any ONE of the four feet of a piece of equipment. This applies to any piece of equipment, even if it is not an item of audio equipment. Listen to some music for a short time, then remove the piece of paper and see if you can listen to the same music with the same pleasure - without the plain piece of paper in position !!

Regards, May.

15th November 2008 From cico_buff

Subject: Re: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 3.

A footnote about the Spiratube.... I love this product, because its so versatile, and easily removed/replaced. But, for me anyway, I found it gave different results depending on how it was placed. When I first started using it, I really enjoyed the lift in sound it gave, and I automatically employed it on the end of various cables, without really listening to the effect on each. Sometimes it seemed something wasn't right with the sound, so I started experimenting with the Spiratube I was applying, and found that to be the culprit - I found that unlike my first experiences with it, I didn't always like the sound it was producing. After experimenting with it on various color cables, it appears it likes black cables?

Well, it could be the simple act of its interaction with different cables, but if I recall correctly (this was a while ago....), every time I tried other colors like grey, white, it was always black (audio) cables that gave the best results. Ever since, I've only used it on black cables. The other curious thing I found (YMMV), is it has a 'polarity'. That is, it sounded better ("right", actually) to me fitted one way round than the other way round. This ideal direction, I had to determine by listening of course, because once the pieces are cut, there's no easy visual way to tell which direction is which.

cico_buff

17th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 5.

P.W.B. 'Treated' Standard Phono Plugs - 15 UK pounds each.

Human beings react adversely to all unused sockets on equipment. If a P.W.B. 'treated' Standard Phono plug is inserted into any unused phono socket, it will have a beneficial effect on the sound.

Regards, May.

21st November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 6.

'Treated' Brown Ties on Safety Pins (CCUs) - price 20 UK pounds each.

These are 'treated' Safety pins (with a choice of various sizes) for applying to Curtains, Carpets and Upholstery.

Regards, May

24th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics.

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 7.

Freezing technique using a domestic deep freezer. Cost - Free.

Try the freezing experiment using a CD first - they are usually the easiest object to hand. If you have two identical CDs all the better as you can keep one CD as the control (no treatment) and put the other CD through the freezing/slow defrost process.

Place one CD in a plain plastic bag and place this bag in the domestic deep freezer overnight. When you remove the CD from the freezer, allow it to return to room temperature very, very slowly. You can achieve a slow defrost quite easily by wrapping it in a towel or blanket. Listen to the CD which has been through the freezing process first and then see if you can listen to the other (unfrozen) CD with the same pleasure !! Putting the previously frozen CD through the freezing/slow defrost process a second time gives you a further improvement in the sound.

If you have success with freezing a CD, then try putting an interconnect or an AC power cord through the freezing/slow defrost process also.

Also experiment by applying the same freezing/slow defrost process to such as batteries. Again have identical batteries. For experimental purposes the batteries used in remote controls are an ideal battery to use. If the remote control takes two batteries, then you require four identical batteries - two to be put through the freezing/slow defrost process, and the other two to be left as the control ones (non treated). After freezing two batteries, insert them into the remote control and listen to some music for a short time. Then replace the (treated) batteries with the untreated batteries and see if you can listen to the same music with the same pleasure as before !!

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Although we do not specifically encourage people to put their audio equipment through the freezing/slow defrost procedure some of our customers have done this procedure with success. So, we would like to add a few words of caution for anyone wishing to attempt to freeze their equipment.

If you DO decide to put any of your audio equipment through this freezing/slow defrost procedure, using your own domestic deep freezer, make sure that the item of equipment is sealed in a plastic bag when placed in the deep freezer. After freezing make sure that the equipment is defrosted very, very slowly by wrapping it in a towel or a blanket for at least a day or two. This will minimise the chance of condensation getting into the equipment. Before connecting the equipment to the AC supply make absolutely sure that the equipment is thoroughly dry - i.e. no moisture or condensation inside or on the equipment.

One specific word of warning.

Any item of equipment which has such as a Liquid Crystal Display (LCD) may not be suitable for putting in a deep freezer, as LCD's are not good at low temperature

Regards, May.

24th November 2008 From Andreas Makridis

Subject: RE: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 7.

Talking about interconnects, I would suggest the freezing technique, only when trying to get a more orderly and rounded sound. I have had success with a Kimber AC interconnect, which was a bit too bright to my ears and somehow "unruly" – and its freezing was a total success, as it put everything into place. Freezing my Oehlbach usb interconnect though, wasn't a positive act; while distributing the musical energy more proportionally and bringing a bit more order to the proceedings, it robbed some of the soundstage and reduced the freedom and eloquence of the musical factors. Somehow, the cable seemed to impose now its own presence in a non positive way.

So, I've come to the conclusion: Don't try a tweak you cannot reverse, unless you want to experiment or have no other option.

Andreas

26th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 8

P.W.B. Rainbow Foil - price 20 UK pounds per pack.

Each pack contains three lengths of Rainbow Foil and the three lengths will cut into over 400 strips which can then be used to 'treat' a multitude of objects.

We would also suggest that before putting the CDs etc through the freezing/slow defrost technique, a strip (or two strips) of Rainbow Foil should be applied to the label side of the CD. This will enhance the freezing procedure further.

Regards, May.

27th November 2008 From Kevin Kehoe

Subject: Further thoughts on VR/CD Blue Magnadiscs

As we approach the start of another year, it is over twenty since my first encounter with P.W.B. Electronics and I realise that I still have two pieces of hi fi from that period (the amplifier and vinyl turntable). Having recently heard high end hi fi kit in a dealers demo room, I am reminded of one piece of P.W.B. philosophy: Any P.W.B. treated piece of competent hi fi kit will be capable of out performing an untreated counterpart - regardless of cost ( this however, does not prevent me drooling over those lovely pieces of technology).

I would be very sad though, if a leaky capacitor or something more serious, put an end to my ancient Audiolab as it has seen me through some of the most extraordinary moments of sound revelations I could have ever hoped to experience.

Following up on my recent posting regarding VR/CD Blue Magnadiscs, I have now fitted a full set to the CD player and vinyl turntable. I have also used the Chunky Blue Pen on the inside sleeves of the vinyl covers as per the instructions - the CD trays had already been treated.

The full treatment releases another blast of Belt magic, not least an amazing sense that each voice and instrument in front of me is materialising dead on their focused spot and not being generated by the mechanical movement of air each side of the room - the speakers completely disappear! The upper registers of all kinds of music seem to ring with bell like clarity, and sound decay can be really appreciated as it collapses down, like darkness descends over a discernable time span, when a light is switched off. Hand slaps on drum skin emerge with a leading edge of sound you only recognise from a live experience.

It is a truly sobering thought that, for all those years, my vinyl and CD collection has contained all this information - this huge well of sonic landscapes, and it has been there, in the room, every time it has been played from day one but just required the key to its access.

It is moments like those that you truly realise what a towering contribution Peter Belt has made to our understanding of how complex and sensitive our hearing abilities are. There is a massive industry out there riding endless merry-go-rounds of theories trying to achieve what Peter was on to in the eighties. How is it possible, after twenty years, we Belter's are still travelling such a lonely road?

Kevin Kehoe.

28th November 2008 From Andreas Makridis

Subject: RE: Further thoughts on VR/CD Blue Magnadiscs

The blue magnadisc, is indeed one of the best PWB achievements. It acts immediately, it is clean, removable, replaceable – and it works wonders: The sound opens up in three dimensions.

Andreas.

28th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: Further thoughts on VR/CD Blue Magnadiscs

That was a most delightful and encouraging posting Kevin, coming at a very appropriate time - because - I have just been reading through and compiling the past years 'postings' on our Chat Forum for our Christmas Newsletter and the contrast of your posting and something I 'reported on' earlier this year is quite startling..

Copy of my 'posting' on our Chat Forum :-

>>> "One would think that in the space of the past 25 years people SHOULD now be able to come to terms with what Peter has discovered, particularly when it is all about improving their sound !!

Unfortunately, the backlash still seems to carry on unabated.

Last year, on the Stereophile chat forum, under a section headed "Why do so many buy into the "cons" in high-end Audio" someone calling himself 'Buddha' replied :-

>>> "The Peter Belts of this world are sly, like the serpent. They are driven off, but then always find ways to slither back into to hobby to suck the green life blood from the uninitiated.. We, as ethical audiophiles, have a duty to remember the past, so that others aren't doomed to repeat it." <<<

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Also, on another (Audio Asylum) site, the same person but under another persona, continually argues that people who use Peter Belt's devices and techniques do so because they obviously NEED those devices as 'props'., as a 'talisman'., as a 'ritual', in order for them to be able to relax, to enable them to 'get into the music better' !!! And that he (the person 'posting' and others like him) do not need such 'props', such 'talismen', such 'rituals' - that they are 'able to get into their music' without needing those things !!

Others, on a variety of Internet audio sites, have responded to Peter's techniques and concepts with what is now an extended list of responses :-

"If people claim to hear improvements by doing this, or that, or that P.W.B. 'tweak' then it MUST be because of "auto-suggestion"., "the placebo effect"., "imagination"., "snake oil"., "audio faith healing"., "effective marketing" etc.

Kevin, it is one of the most difficult concepts to get over to people that 'there is a wealth of musical information' which is there, already available to them, but which they are not able to resolve correctly - because of what is surrounding us in the modern environment.

As you say, Kevin "How is it possible, after twenty years, we Belter's are still travelling such a lonely road?"

Just recently, on the Isolation section of Audio Asylum site, Geoff Kait posed the question "Any theories as to why the system can sound very good one day and horrid the next? Once the usual suspects - break in of cables, components, speakers and contact enhancers - are dispensed with, what's left?".

Geoff got some very simplistic answers :-

"Headcolds, Mood and Good Beer"

"Power supply, weather and psychology"

"AC power, environmental changes, barometric pressure, sinuses, mental state"

It is like you, Kevin, being told that the changes you hear are merely due to your headcold, mood, weather, good beer !!!!!

Kind Regards, May

29th November 2008 From cico_buff

Subject: Language is a virus from outer space (Re: Further thoughts on VR/CD Blue Magna)

I know this all too well, and I know how frustrating it can be. I've never had much success getting people to understand what they're not ready to understand.

People give simplistic answers, because they can only do that.

They can only do that, because their experiences are limited.

They can only know what is contained within their experiences.

They can not, or will not, excercise their imagination to begin to understand things outside of those experiences.

When they try to, we end up with Mr. Buddha's theories. Who thinks he's found the real and true answer to this whole Belt controversy: "if you can't hear it, then that must mean you're already hearing it". It's the finest in pseudo-philosophy, I hear. Again, his is an answer that tries to reach outside of ones experience and understanding, to explain that which they've never experienced or understood. Why Mr. Buddha has never experienced the effect is a more interesting question, but I don't know him, and he won't say. If he had the courage to talk about his experiences in any sort of detail, we might finally know the answer.

When I talk about my experiences on public forums, I'm aware that I am limited by the knowledge and understanding of my reader, in what I can convey. So I often do not talk about many of my experiences in audio, because it would be like speaking an alien language to people who understand nothing about what you say. Those who can be reasonable in their responses might say "Well, I believe you hear what you think you are hearing". But I always feel this translates into "I realize you're not really hearing it, you're just fooling yourself! But if you want to fool yourself, who am I to rain on your parade?".

Of course, it is I who thinks the other is fooling themselves, because they refuse to believe that what I am saying is not based on illusions (and they know nothing about how real the experience is for me, how many times I've experienced it, or how much I always try to take care to avoid fooling myself). But so long as we do not have that shared experience, we can't even begin to speak the same language. Thus we can not connect, and I can not transfer my experience to them, and hope to have them learn something from it. Yet I can usually understand their language, and repeat their experiments, and derive similar to what they declare they are deriving from it.

If I tell a conventional audiophile that my sound is changing all the time, pretty much, even though I'm not fiddling with my system at all, he is unlikely to accept that as true, if it isn't true for him. If I tell him I can hear improvements after I clear my desk, and he can see no direct correlation, he is unlikely to accept it as true. Yet ironically, with most audiophiles, there is a need to understand. So at least you have a better chance of getting them to understand something, than if they had no desire to understand anything; just disbelieved you and didn't care what the real cause was. But if their listening skills are not tuned to notice subtle day to day changes in the quality of their sound, then they will never have known my experience. However, since 'the Buddhas' have that desire to understand, they'll use the tools of understanding contained within what they know, not what they don't.

So instead of my "desk clutter" being the cause of the change, they might explain it as "outside environmental conditions", fluctuations on the electrical line, or simply "placebo". Whatever biases and prejudices they've learned from their education and/or experiences, is what they will project on to mine, in order to try to make some sense of it. (They really can't explain it by something they don't know, can they?). Which is why "placebo", IMO, gets far too much significance attached to it in this hobby than it has ever deserved. It's just easier to reach for the few things you do know, to explain a phenomenon you can't begin to understand and are not even inclined to try (which is where the mockery comes in), than to rely on all the many things you don't know.

One time on a discussion forum, I talked about some tweaks I had made to an amp, because I was really excited at the time about how musical I was able to get it to sound, and wanted to share that feeling. Which is a perfectly natural behaviour among us audiophiles. But I deliberately did not discuss the details, because I knew the audiophiles there wouldn't understand. (It had to do with tagging the internal wires a certain way, with morphic messages. Which is a more advanced P.W.B tweak and especially hard to understand, for someone who thinks an SR foil on a CD is "way out there"). Even though they asked me to share the tweak, I was refusing to, saying they wouldn't understand, and would just think I was nuts, and that I didn't feel like going through that again. They thought I was being coy for their own reasons, and insisted that I shouldn't fear condemnation, that they were avid tweakers, and more open-minded than that. One of them had the very same amp, and was emailing me to share my "tweak secrets".

So I did, explaining how I used simple messages to improve my sound. Well, what can I say, they went hysterical after that. Since "messaging" was simply not in their language, it had nothing to do with audio as they knew it, they were convinced it was all a farce, on my part. One of them even accused me of working for a "rival discussion forum", and setting this all up to try to upset their little club, and make fun of them. So once again, during all of this, whatever truth there is to discover in these matters, finds itself thwacked on the back of the head with a truncheon, to lay unconscious and ignored, while "untruths" rule the room. I can hardly imagine how much valuable information is lost in the scientific world, or remains underground, because of this phenomenon of resistance to novel ideas, and willful ignorance.

As we know, there is a social order to everything. Just as it was in our earliest days, people look to their authority figures to determine what is good and what isn't (what is poison, and what is edible). So it probably wouldn't hurt if if the Pope blessed P.W.B products (well, at least for the Christian market). Kidding aside, and speaking hypothetically, I can't help but think that if John Atkinson, Wes Phillips, and whoever their equivalent in the UK (or other North American publications), and top reviewers in Europe, Asia etc.... if they all reviewed P.W.B products and all had good things to say about it, then those authority figures, by the power of their voice alone, would start to change people's attitudes about these unusual products. Their authority figures (whoever it may be), would likely prompt them to consider the P.W.B devices more seriously, and try them. Then those who have positive experiences would share that with others, prompting them to initiate the experience as well. At which point, this language of "Beltism" would grow to become a more common, accepted and understood one. It wouldn't be so hard to find people out there with shared experiences! I think because of the present lack of larger authority figures that people trust, that tell them "it's okay to try it, this is actually a good thing", we're taking the road far less travelled. Yes, I think I'm going to send my foils to Obama, and see if he'll give a "presidential recommendation" on them. That ought to get more traffic.

cico_buff

29th November 2008 From Warrick Moore

Subject: Language is a virus from outer space (Re: Further thoughts on VR/CD Blue Magna)

As a belt newbie I would like to comment on my experiences. With Belt products do I hear a difference to the sound, well yes I do... sometimes a great change other times not so great... and even if a foil is placed on the wrong part or place of a CD Player can make it sound worse. So that tells me that it is not placebo or auto suggestion. If it was placebo or AS I would expect it to sound better or no charge at all, But to make it sound worse then it must be something else.

I have belted a Peter Gabriel DVD doing more each time. (and need to do a lot more) The first treatment brought out more bass and midrange The second treatments concerning the room and DVD Made the DVD sound more live sounding like you were there at the concert in the crowd. Another time I put on a Phil Collins DVD and added some cream elecret around the room. I the first thing I noticed that the drums just stood out.

Of course there is a long way for me to go with Beltism and the journey sounds very exciting.

Warrick Moore

30th November 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 9.

P.W.B. Cream-Electret - price 20 UK pounds per 15 ml jar.

The Cream-Electret, coupled with the Rainbow Foil is one of our most popular and versatile products. Only a small amount of Cream-Electret needs to be applied to the label side of any CD or on to any object to create a very beneficial effect on the sound.

Regards, May

1st December 2008 From Kevin Kehoe

Subject: Language is a virus from outer space (Re: Further thoughts on VR/CD)

Cico_buff,

A concise and elegant explanation for the difficulties 'the Belt effect' has getting established in the minds of audio enthusiasts. The line of reasoning could be applied to almost any radically new and innovative way of doing things. The story related by May Belt as a parallel to Peter's struggle - that of Joseph Lister ( for which she was shouted down by several audio buffs on a hi fi forum without them even doing her the honour of trying the devices first!) - is a good example. It does seem that a critical mass has to be achieved before a new concept will take on a momentum of its own - either through force of numbers jumping aboard or, as you say, its adoption by a few key 'establishment' figures. For certain, here in the UK, if one of the cast of the sitcom Eastenders was to be observed putting Rainbow Foil on their DVD player followed by a dab of Cream Electret, then within a week, P.W.B. Electronics would be a national institution!

Today, all those years from my first big sound revelation with a strip of Message Foil, I still have the urge to rush out and grab a stranger from the street when I hear the latest sound lift. My sense of wonder has not diminished with the years!

Kevin Kehoe.

1st December 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 10.

Portable audio equipment Improvement Pack. Cost 35 UK pounds.

The Portable audio equipment Improvement Pack was introduced as a means whereby people could 'treat' portable items of audio equipment with a selection of our various Foils - without having to purchase a full length of each individual Foil. But, obviously, as well as being able to 'treat' such items as MP3 players, iPod and Walkman players, T amps and miniature speakers, exactly the same pack of Foils can be used to 'treat' any piece of audio equipment.

The Pack includes 10 mm pieces of 10 of our special Foils. With careful cutting, each 10 mm piece will give you 4 strips of each Foil, so four items of audio equipment can be 'treated' with the selection of the 10 different Foils.

Regards, May.

2nd December 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique No. - 11.

P.W.B. Beginners Pack. Cost 50 UK pounds.

The Beginners Pack consists of a pack of Rainbow Foil, a jar of Cream-Electret, a metre length of Spiratube, small samples of three of our large range of Foils and the first two 'treated' ties of the colour tie sequence for 'treating' cables. This pack has been put together to give people a versatile and varied start to P.W.B. Techniques.

Regards, May.

3rd December 2008 From P.W.B. Electronics

Subject: "To Lift your Spirits" P.W.B. Technique - No. 12.

P.W.B. Red 'x' Pen. Cost 50 UK pounds.

With the P.W.B. Red 'x' Pen, people can write their own beneficial 'morphic message labels' to attach to items of equipment and to also write their signature or sign their initials on objects which are too small to attach a label to.

Regards, May.


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